MiG-21 Durability Doubts

[LFCChameleon_Silk]

first off fantastic module, absolutely loving it.

 

my 1 concern is: seems the MiG-21 is a bit to durable, I pancake and it turns into a crash landing when it should have been instant death in my opinion, wings still intact and nothing broke off. Another one of my friends seems to think its over tuned for durability and I think its pretty obvious its a bit to tough to damage. any idea if this will be tuned a bit in the future (maybe its not for guns or missiles) but in terms of ground collision it definitely needs another pass.

[Leo Showers]

Can you post a track file?

[nd1312]

For me it has been a bit inconsistent, but i don't know if that was just coincidence.

 

Sometimes i put it down a bit harsh on the runway and it'll break, flip and explode.

 

Once i literally crashed it into the grass and i just blacked out, rolled over a couple of times without breaking anything or burning.

[LFCChameleon_Silk]

I don't think you need a track file, just bounce off the ground a bit... you can pancake many times and bounce off the ground and roll around and survive with crash landings and no fireball.

 

experiment.

[Andrei]

MiG-21 was designed for gravel airstrips which require a lot of durability. It can take a lot of damage provided you land it on its wheels.

[WinterH]

Haven't experience this in MiG yet, but actually, it is similar to what is described here in F-86 too, a few times I have scraped off the terra firma at near mach one with some scraping sounds in F-86, and then just kept flying on :)

 

On the other end of the scale, Fw-190 seem like going boom for no apparent reason on slightest contact with Planet Earth :)

[LFCChameleon_Silk]

I'm talking like no wheels down, split-S gone wrong, pancaking, doing cartwheel and being ok, maybe even with wings still attached.

 

try flying it without take off flaps go 300kmh, raise gear and skid you will most likely survive even with some rolling, I find this very hard to believe... my rudder was still working as well.... although of all the cases this is probably the most believable in that it could be survivable... (can you guess what I forgot to do for this to occur :P)

 

pancaking... nah, the G-forces and impact would be far to hard and you should fireball, I have never seen any footage of a pancaked plane not exploding.

 

don't get me wrong I love the module, just would like the ground damage to be a bit more real.

[Flying Penguin]

MiG-21 was designed for gravel airstrips which require a lot of durability. It can take a lot of damage provided you land it on its wheels.

 

Yes, but there is heavy landing and there is gear/spine breaking ploughing it in....

 

I've certainly had one suspiciously "holy batman" landing, stalling in from several hundred feet, just enough elevator authority to momentarily maintain a sufficiently nose high attitude to stop it being a nosecone first landing, the thing bounces off the nose wheel, rolls from side to side then settles into a perfectly normal landing roll.

 

Whilst I bet it can take more punishment than the F-15, I had to check my difficulty settings to make sure I'd not turned on Game Mode or similar.

 

Either something is a bit amiss or the whole aircraft is made of the same rubber as your average bouncy ball....

[Irregular programming]

Yeah, I had a major crash trying to land on open ground were nothing on the airplane was damaged.

 

It was in a training mission though, maybe you are immortal there?

[LFCChameleon_Silk]

no I'm afraid its just made of rubber :P

[Lordbaldur]

I noticed that if you really eff up a landing, you can still survive. I remember clipping the roof of a building, losing all momentum and landing very hard. Apparently aside from everything being destroyed, I survived.

[Tango]

Hmm - I've yet to do any off-airport landing and have the jet survive in one piece. If you land on flat ground however, it should survive.

 

I did lose the vertical stab yesterday as the result of a mid-air, and no yaw developed as expected. I didn't check to see if the rudder still worked.

 

The aircraft should have entered an unrecoverable flat spin/roll/stall/crash, but I landed normally.

 

Best regards,

Tango.

[Random]

I had a lag induced midair with a sabre. All that happened is a blackout for a few seconds then flying again but with a constant roll.

Edited September 18, 2014 by Random

[LFCChameleon_Silk]

ok so im diving 45 degree, CCIP bombing run in training, I drop good effect, but wait I'm diving to fast and to steep I pull up to late and I pancake (again) i bounce off ground and continue flying.

 

ugh no... just no.

 

if its because I'm immortal I will laugh here let me go do something stupid :P

 

EDIT: yea training must be immortal that still doesn't explain my other pancake incidents tho in ME.

Edited September 18, 2014 by =LFC=Chameleon_Silk

[LFCChameleon_Silk]

LOL

 

I dunno I can't replicate it outside of training, maybe I just got lucky once and the rest were in training because I certainly am dying plenty fine trying to emulate previous things!

 

feel like a jack ass now. :P

[swe_badger]

Well, there is the recovery switch, maybe there is also a immortality switch somewhere. :) Seriously though, might have something to do with those "last minute" additions to the damage modeling that LN made.

[Flying Penguin]

I'm not sure you are, my mega bounce was in the take off instant action. Unless it's mission specific...

[LFCChameleon_Silk]

to be completley honest it could just be I was in training, the one time i went off runway in non training was a bit iffy but the pancaking is definitely something I must have been doing in training, because it should kill outright easily.

[Harle]

I too once fell tumbling into some grove and bounced off a couple of times with no damage.

[swe_badger]

I totally failed my first landing and I thought to myself "here comes the BOOM!" but the plane just happily bounced along the runway until I regained control and merrily drove it back to the parking spot. Yeah, it needs tuning, ANY other plane would have been a hole in the ground with that "landing". Still, loving the plane, can't enough of it. Thanks LN!

[LFCChameleon_Silk]

yea I'm having a blast with it, definetly rekindled my want to be flying in DCS world till EDGE comes out.

[Aginor]

I think I agree with those who said it maybe takes too much damage.

When I crash landed with 450kph and over 3meters per second vertical velocity I ripped off both wings, the gear and parts of the tail, and the remaining "pipe" of an airplane rolled over 100 meters. The pilot died, and the rest of the plane was on fire, but I expected to explode, it didn't do that.

[VincentLaw]

As seen in this picture, the MiG-21 can fly inside the fireball of a nuke without taking very much damage. I could actually see stuff exploding in front of me as I was flying away from the explosion.

 

 

While this is pretty cool looking, it might be a little too strong?

[Essah]

Pancaked down on a ventral fuel tank in a horrible attempt at a field ditch when I was out of fuel, expecting the fuel tank to either explode being full of fumes or soften my landing. What happened. It bounched back in the air to quite the altitude

 

Later I tried ditching it on a road, gear clipped the railing of a bridge, I bounched upwards instantly blackingout, plane flipped inverted and came down upside down. slid for 50 meters or so before coming to a halt upside down... no damage

 

Several of my friends I fly with report the same thing, little too much durability.

 

I'll post track next time it happens (for sure it will)

[Grizzly1606688174]

Holy crap you guys are mean to the girl..

I flew the same plane for 4 hours yesterday, testing it out, learning the systems, landing, refueling, taking off, all about 6 or 7 times.

No damage at all.

 

I actually had a pretty realistic experience. A buddy of mine threw a nuke, I was a good distance away but I heard the pressurewave striking my plane.

The plane flew fine for another landing and takeoff, no apparent damage as I was at a real far and high distance away from the blast. So didnt think much of it..

 

Until I 30 minutes later slowly started to loose power over 5-10 minutes, I ended up flying allmost at a constant stall even with afterburner, my nosegear didnt want to come up after I missed my first emergency landing approach (no touchdown) so It really felt like something in the engine was affected from that previous blastwave, and slowly degraded over time. I pulled all emergency wheel handles, landed the bird okay, but a bit to fast. Parachute just went poof when I deployed it (must have been going around 400 kmt I think), so off the runway, bouncy bouncy aaaaand fireball.

 

All in all, pretty cool experience in DCS.

 

Only thing Im still a bit iffy about is that wierd sideways jumpyness on takeoff.. Just feels wierd.