Mig21 Flight model

[Exocet]

Hi all

 

During a training mission. I realized a maneuver that saved my life , a strange cobra ... My mate recorded the maneuver from his mi8.

 

 

I know that FM is not finished , but it would be a very big job changing this parameter . I ask to letherneck , are normal ? And I ask the question to the forum community .. what do you think? :ermm:

Edited September 24, 2014 by Exocet

[Corrigan]

Well, if someone ever dared to perform a cobra that close to the ground, I guess that's kinda what it'd look like.

[Exocet]

the end of the maneuver is really strange, don't you think?

[NoJoe]

Looked like this was multiplayer, so it's possible latency came into play. I've seen some planes do weird things in MP sometimes.

 

The best way to find out would be to try that yourself in the MiG. I might go do that...

[Eldur]

Stick to the balls, full AB :D

[USARStarkey]

Seeing as the Mig-21 is not capable of the Cobra IRL, it should not be possible. The only fighters capable of the cobra are certain 4th Gen and 5th Gen ships. However, Im not convinced that what you did was necessarily a Cobra. Mainly, I think the distinction between what you did and a proper cobra was that you came in from a dive, rather than in level flight, and your aircraft continued to fly in the direction the nose was pointed more or less. In a Cobra, the aircraft travels almost perpendicular to the AoA. You did not, as your plane began to accelerate upwards almost immediately.

[Corrigan]

The only fighters capable of the cobra are certain 4th Gen and 5th Gen ships.

 

Haaaaaave ya met Draken? :)

 

 

 

But yeah, this isn't really the same thing as when a modern jet does it on purpose, I know. I just wanted an excuse to post that video :D

Edited September 24, 2014 by Corrigan

[USARStarkey]

Granted that is the one exception. The Mig cannot do the cobra however. And what he does in that video in game is not a cobra.

[ff4life4]

I have managed to pull a cobra like maneuver in the mig. Just go around 700 kph and yank the stick back. The nose will travel 90 degrees and the aircraft will just keep plowing forward

[ff4life4]

Not my video. But look at 2:50. Its close

 

[Exocet]

Granted that is the one exception. The Mig cannot do the cobra however. And what he does in that video in game is not a cobra.

 

 

I know it's not really a cobra, but I find it very strange

 

the output of the maneuver that is not possible as the result of this has happened and to stop the speed vector, to the ground. the inertia of the aircraft would never let him do such a stunt in real

[silverofx441]

Take a look at this. Very possible for a Mig 21.

 

 

 

Edit: the pilot's name: Ahmed Kamal Al Mansouri.

Edited September 24, 2014 by silverofx441

[Grim_Smiles]

Silver beat me to it. That maneuver you did reminds me very much of that Egyptian MiG incident, so seems definitely possible for a MiG-21 to pull off that maneuver from your video in real life.

[Absolut]

Epstein is maybe the only one who knows it. That maneuver reminds me to exact that Story. I am really tired of competence without any source!

Thanks for the link silver...didnt found it.

[OxideMako]

Silver beat me to it. That maneuver you did reminds me very much of that Egyptian MiG incident, so seems definitely possible for a MiG-21 to pull off that maneuver from your video in real life.

 

Same here. The MiG-21 is actually alot more agile than most people think. Just look at the USAF testing of one. (Have Doughnut IIRC)

[silverofx441]

Epstein is maybe the only one who knows it. That maneuver reminds me to exact that Story. I am really tired of competence without any source!

Thanks for the link silver...didnt found it.

 

 

You betcha!!:thumbup:

[silverofx441]

Same here. The MiG-21 is actually alot more agile than most people think. Just look at the USAF testing of one. (Have Doughnut IIRC)

 

 

Exactly! Intel warned us (RCAF) about the 21 back in the 80's. A lot of Warsaw pact countries

were still using it back then and they told us to not underestimate this little beast. I remember this guy during a briefing saying something like "anyone who thinks the Mig 21 is obsolete is going to have is ass handed to him in a one on one if the pilot of that Mig is any good". We started flying the "Bug" (CF-188) around that time and HQ thought we were getting a little too arrogant.

Edited September 24, 2014 by silverofx441

[Corrigan]

Exactly! Intel warned us (RCAF) about the 21 back in the 80's. A lot of Warsaw pact countries

were still using it back then and they told us to not underestimate this little beast. I remember this guy during a briefing saying something like "anyone who thinks the Mig 21 is obsolete is going to have is ass handed to him in a one on one if the pilot of that Mig is any good". We started flying the "Bug" (CF-188) around that time and HQ thought we were getting a little too arrogant.

 

That's actually a really cool story.

[GGTharos]

The bugs quickly proved that the 21 is indeed obsolete though.

[Corrigan]

Of course, in the same way a rifle makes a sword obsolete. Doesn't mean you suddenly wanna get poked by one :P

[silverofx441]

The bugs quickly proved that the 21 is indeed obsolete though.

 

I get ya. What i mean is it's always a mistake to sit back and relax and figure your equipment is so advance that you will never get in trouble. So what they were saying (intel) is complacency plus a Mig 21 with a good pilot in it was a sure way to get your butt shot down.

 

Reminds me of another story here. When we got our Argus CP-107 (sub hunter patrol airplane), they were simply unmatched. Even the Americans envied us. Then one day, they were not so advanced. In fact, every other country seemed to have a better sub hunter. But during training exercises we kept having better results and find super silent subs and "kill" them. I'm talking US subs here. Of course they wanted to know how we did it. it seemed we relied more on good 'ol tactics and they relied to much on state of the arts electronics. they admitted they became arrogant and complacent. it was a good lesson learned and the reason why countries have to train all the time for war: so we don't underestimate our adversary and we don't get all nice and comfy we our new technology. And come to think of it, look at the Zulu wars. The British army got it's butt kicked by half naked warriors with bow and arrows and spears while they were sporting Martini-Henry Mk I–IV. The British eventually prevailed but not after suffering heavy casualties.

 

Anyhow, the Mig 21 module is awesome!!

[GGTharos]

I know what you're trying to say now, but you never know- there's at least one 'study' out there that suggests the mig21 is somehow competitive with modem fighters in bfm, and it's simply not true. As an aircraft, it is inferior.

 

Training exercises are another issue - the entire point is to demonstrate to the pilots what might surprise them, and that's that. You won't be able to use such surprises on a pilot who does things right anyway.

 

 

PS: all that said, I'm not here to be negative. I'll be getting the module on the short term myself.

 

Because they're smaller faster and more maneuverable... Just like the enemy MIGs! :-D

Edited September 24, 2014 by GGTharos

[159th_Viper]

Of course, in the same way a rifle makes a sword obsolete. Doesn't mean you suddenly wanna get poked by one :P

 

Pffftttttt hahahahahhaha :megalol:

 

Oh so true :thumbup:

[Flying Penguin]

Of course, in the same way a rifle makes a sword obsolete. Doesn't mean you suddenly wanna get poked by one :P

 

But can your rifle do this?

 

 

:D

[silverofx441]

That's actually a really cool story.

 

Lol! Thanks! We had quite a bit of respect for the "Flygvapnet" by the way. I loved the way you guys landed Viggens on streches of highways!