nick10 Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 Just a thought? There were some pix of an AI b-17 floating around. Would make great target practice for the 109s
9.JG27 DavidRed Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 well yeah, an AI B17 would be greatly appreciated, and i think it would add to the immersion and especially possibilties within mission building big time. even if its not perfect or too detailed. those pics you have seen are from a mod and not official. i think sithspawn is/was working on it.which looks great btw.
gavagai Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 A B-17 is the only target I'll be able to hit with the Mk 108!:doh: P-51D | Fw 190D-9 | Bf 109K-4 | Spitfire Mk IX | P-47D | WW2 assets pack | F-86 | Mig-15 | Mig-21 | Mirage 2000C | A-10C II | F-5E | F-16 | F/A-18 | Ka-50 | Combined Arms | FC3 | Nevada | Normandy | Straight of Hormuz | Syria
JST Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 A B-17 is the only target I'll be able to hit with the Mk 108!:doh: It is slow, but also immensely powerful. Fighters are 95% guaranteed 1 hit kill. There's not really anything to stop you from parking a 109 behind a P-51/P-47. All they can do is dive to escape. Spitfire on the other hand... I imagine there will be some intense dogfights. ...Unless you get the jump on them! My skins/liveries for Fw 190 D-9 and Bf 109 K-4: My blog or Forums. Open for requests as well. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Alladyn Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 (edited) If they are making Normandy map, then it will include, ground, vehicles, buildings, tanks and air b-17, he111 etc, everything from WWIIera but only for Ai... Right? Edited October 11, 2014 by Alladyn [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
OutOnTheOP Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 It is slow, but also immensely powerful. Fighters are 95% guaranteed 1 hit kill. There's not really anything to stop you from parking a 109 behind a P-51/P-47. All they can do is dive to escape. Spitfire on the other hand... I imagine there will be some intense dogfights. ...Unless you get the jump on them! And yet people are complaining the Mustang turns too good already. Sounds to me like you want the 75" Mustang... otherwise it'd just get boring, parking on their tail so effortlessly, huh?
JST Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 And yet people are complaining the Mustang turns too good already. Sounds to me like you want the 75" Mustang... otherwise it'd just get boring, parking on their tail so effortlessly, huh? Well I don't know about that, I have turned in on a few Ponies with my D-9. Situational I suppose. As for the P-51 manifold pressure, I have no comment on that, since I have no interest or research in it. And parking on someone's six is by no means effortless in itself (Bad wording on my part), never said so, it all comes down to the situation at hand. Once you get there though, a plane that is more manueverable and has better power/weight ratio is hard to shake. At equal energy a Pony doesn't have much against a 109 giving chase, other than to dive away, right? And this formation/advantage is easier to maintain with a 109 than a 190 of any kind. My skins/liveries for Fw 190 D-9 and Bf 109 K-4: My blog or Forums. Open for requests as well. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
fastfreddie Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 If they are making Normandy map, then it will include, ground, vehicles, buildings, tanks and air b-17, he111 etc, everything from WWIIera but only for Ai... Right? I don't think the HE111 was ever planned or discussed and by this time in the war it was not seeing alot of action. Germany was fighting a defensive battle by this time and had lost air supremacy on most fronts as early as late 1943. Even the Stuka was being replaced by FW190 F and G variants but hopefully someone will make Ai versions since other earlier aircraft are being made by third parties. Definitely need to get the B17 ai in here soon. High altitude combat is calling.:joystick:
Mobius_cz Posted October 11, 2014 Posted October 11, 2014 I don't think we will see a lot of planes in Normandy map. VEAO simulations has pretty nice list but it will take some time. I never read anything about HE-111 in DCS and as someone mentioned it was almost out of service in 1944. Only suitable german bomber for this timeframe is HE-177 but i don't think it is possible to develop this aircraft. But i would like to see B-17 also in near future :thumbup: [sIGPIC]http://dcs-uvp.cz/images/userbars/uvp_bars_mic.gif[/sIGPIC]
Der_Fred Posted October 25, 2014 Posted October 25, 2014 At equal energy a Pony doesn't have much against a 109 giving chase, other than to dive away, right? And this formation/advantage is easier to maintain with a 109 than a 190 of any kind. Considering that a Me109 controls get much heavier at higher speeds, it makes sense for a P51 to obtain that high speed envelope, and out-maneuver the Me109. IIRC the FW190 suffers less from high speed control heaviness. :)
kazereal Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 (edited) Just a thought? There were some pix of an AI b-17 floating around. Would make great target practice for the 109s Way too early for that. AI B-17 is planned for next year at soonest. Edit: without damage modeling it would not be much of target anyway.. Edited October 26, 2014 by kazereal "I would have written a shorter post, but I did not have the time."
DB 605 Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 Only suitable german bomber for this timeframe is HE-177 but i don't think it is possible to develop this aircraft. But i would like to see B-17 also in near future :thumbup: Not really, JU 88 and it's variants (188 etc) were quite widely used 'till end of war. CPU: Intel Core i7-2600k @3.40GHz | Motherboard: Asus P8P67-M | Memory: Kingston 8GB DDR3 | OS W10 | GPU: Sapphire R9 290x 8GBDDR5 | Monitor: Samsung Syncmaster 24" | Devices: Oculus Rift, MS FFB 2 joystick, Saitek X 52 Pro throttle, Saitek Pro pedals, Gametrix Jetseat [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
DB 605 Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 Considering that a Me109 controls get much heavier at higher speeds, it makes sense for a P51 to obtain that high speed envelope, and out-maneuver the Me109. IIRC the FW190 suffers less from high speed control heaviness. :) Mustang was also suffering heavy controls at high speeds, tought not as much as 109. CPU: Intel Core i7-2600k @3.40GHz | Motherboard: Asus P8P67-M | Memory: Kingston 8GB DDR3 | OS W10 | GPU: Sapphire R9 290x 8GBDDR5 | Monitor: Samsung Syncmaster 24" | Devices: Oculus Rift, MS FFB 2 joystick, Saitek X 52 Pro throttle, Saitek Pro pedals, Gametrix Jetseat [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
PE_Tigar Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 I don't think we will see a lot of planes in Normandy map. VEAO simulations has pretty nice list but it will take some time. I never read anything about HE-111 in DCS and as someone mentioned it was almost out of service in 1944. Only suitable german bomber for this timeframe is HE-177 but i don't think it is possible to develop this aircraft. But i would like to see B-17 also in near future :thumbup: Timeframe maybe, but not really suitable for the map - Ju 88 late versions and Ju 188 were used more. But it's all academic discussion, Luftwaffe hardly flew any bomber sorties in Normandy. When it comes to Allied bombers - B-17 of course would be appropriate, but in my view B-25 and B-26 would be even more at home.
gavagai Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 Timeframe maybe, but not really suitable for the map - Ju 88 late versions and Ju 188 were used more. But it's all academic discussion, Luftwaffe hardly flew any bomber sorties in Normandy. The Ju-88 has always been my favorite German WW2 bomber. A Ju-188 would be great, too. For CAS a Fw 190F-8 would also be on my wishlist. It is true that for our time period Luftwaffe operations were almost all defensive, but players need variety on both sides. Already in multiplayer I see a majority going to the P-51 to fly a lot of CAS, and a few are flying red in the Fw 190, but rarely with a bomb (honestly, the Dora is not suited to CAS). P-51D | Fw 190D-9 | Bf 109K-4 | Spitfire Mk IX | P-47D | WW2 assets pack | F-86 | Mig-15 | Mig-21 | Mirage 2000C | A-10C II | F-5E | F-16 | F/A-18 | Ka-50 | Combined Arms | FC3 | Nevada | Normandy | Straight of Hormuz | Syria
Ala13_ManOWar Posted October 26, 2014 Posted October 26, 2014 I would gladly pay for a full DCS level B-17, but for the moment with an AI with the upcoming 109 would be just great!! :thumbup: Anyway, with a MiG-15 also upcoming to face the Sabre and presumably a Korea map sooner or later, nobody talks about the (at least) AI B-29?? She'll also be a DCS WWII player in a way or another. S! "I went into the British Army believing that if you want peace you must prepare for war. I believe now that if you prepare for war, you get war." -- Major-General Frederick B. Maurice
Solty Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) Mustang was also suffering heavy controls at high speeds, tought not as much as 109. No it wasn't. I'm on the phone but Yoyo has told me how it works with 51. Check a thread in 51 section about control stiffening. That is where I I quote him. Found a way to do it. http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1970423&postcount=380 Edited October 30, 2014 by Solty [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]In 21st century there is only war and ponies. My experience: Jane's attack squadron, IL2 for couple of years, War Thunder and DCS. My channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyAXX9rAX_Sqdc0IKJuv6dA
DB 605 Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 No it wasn't. I'm on the phone but Yoyo has told me how it works with 51. Check a thread in 51 section about control stiffening. That is where I I quote him. Found a way to do it. http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1970423&postcount=380 Yes it was. I never said it was so heavy that it wasn't possible to pull the stick to overcome g limits or anything, but it was heavy on controls. Of course everything is relative. Interesting article of F-16 jockey flying the P-51: http://www.flyingmag.com/aircrafts/pistons/jet-jockey-flies-p-51-mustang?page=0,0 CPU: Intel Core i7-2600k @3.40GHz | Motherboard: Asus P8P67-M | Memory: Kingston 8GB DDR3 | OS W10 | GPU: Sapphire R9 290x 8GBDDR5 | Monitor: Samsung Syncmaster 24" | Devices: Oculus Rift, MS FFB 2 joystick, Saitek X 52 Pro throttle, Saitek Pro pedals, Gametrix Jetseat [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Solty Posted October 31, 2014 Posted October 31, 2014 (edited) Yes it was. I never said it was so heavy that it wasn't possible to pull the stick to overcome g limits or anything, but it was heavy on controls. Of course everything is relative. Interesting article of F-16 jockey flying the P-51: http://www.flyingmag.com/aircrafts/pistons/jet-jockey-flies-p-51-mustang?page=0,0 F-16s are fly by wire. They have no stick movment. You just apply little pressure on the stick. It is not even moving. That is why an F-16 pilot that compares that to his experience with that Gen 4 Jet is just not a good example. I have read that article before. You said: Mustang was also suffering heavy controls at high speeds, tought not as much as 109. You have compared the 109 stiffening to the Mustang and said that it not as much. That reads "very similar but just a little bit better" which is not the truth. You have to be Schwarzenegger to move that short stick in the 109 at about 600kph. Which is not the case in the Mustang. Here you have a report about the 109 from Mark Hanna. A Pilot that flew many warbirds. http://www.eaf51.org/newweb/Documenti/Storia/Flying_%20109_ENG.pdf Edited October 31, 2014 by Solty [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]In 21st century there is only war and ponies. My experience: Jane's attack squadron, IL2 for couple of years, War Thunder and DCS. My channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyAXX9rAX_Sqdc0IKJuv6dA
Solty Posted October 31, 2014 Posted October 31, 2014 :book:I've read that article again. I have to say... Whenever he said that he was surprised I would say that would know exactly what the plane is like. Literary everything that had surprised him, I was expecting.:D [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]In 21st century there is only war and ponies. My experience: Jane's attack squadron, IL2 for couple of years, War Thunder and DCS. My channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyAXX9rAX_Sqdc0IKJuv6dA
DB 605 Posted October 31, 2014 Posted October 31, 2014 (edited) You said: You have compared the 109 stiffening to the Mustang and said that it not as much. That reads "very similar but just a little bit better" which is not the truth. No, only you read it that way because you're such hopeless pony fanboi ;) Just joking. I wrote it because mustang was also heavy on controls, not as much as 109, but still heavy, especially at higher speeds. Believe it or not. You have to be Schwarzenegger to move that short stick in the 109 at about 600kph. Now this is what i call exaggeration. It was heavy, but fully manouverable at 600kph. None of the ww2 pilots were exactly body builders and they had no problem to control it even much higher speed that that. Stifness was only real problem when you entered deep, long dive and speed increased well over 750km/h. Here you have a report about the 109 from Mark Hanna. A Pilot that flew many warbirds. http://www.eaf51.org/newweb/Documenti/Storia/Flying_%20109_ENG.pdf I have read that and dozens on finnish and german 109 pilots reports and diaries. Edited October 31, 2014 by DB 605 CPU: Intel Core i7-2600k @3.40GHz | Motherboard: Asus P8P67-M | Memory: Kingston 8GB DDR3 | OS W10 | GPU: Sapphire R9 290x 8GBDDR5 | Monitor: Samsung Syncmaster 24" | Devices: Oculus Rift, MS FFB 2 joystick, Saitek X 52 Pro throttle, Saitek Pro pedals, Gametrix Jetseat [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Solty Posted October 31, 2014 Posted October 31, 2014 (edited) I have read the finish translation to English. All I know is that109 needs both hands on stick above 500kph, while 51as you can read in the article is possible to control with one hand. The author only mentions that he had an urge, but never actually used both hands. But don't worry. I saw that K4 is going to have flettner tabs so it is going to be lighter on controls. As I ve read the 109 pilot before that modification was unable to pull more than 5G Edited October 31, 2014 by Solty [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]In 21st century there is only war and ponies. My experience: Jane's attack squadron, IL2 for couple of years, War Thunder and DCS. My channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCyAXX9rAX_Sqdc0IKJuv6dA
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