Boris Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 I would love to see a high fidelity A-10A in DCS World. The Flaming Cliffs A-10A doesn't interest me because of the simplified systems. While I'm pretty well versed with the A-10C, I would love to have a chance to get to know the older version, for the challenge and to get to know the airframe better. The great thing is, is that to make a hi-fi A-10A, it would be much easier job than with any other aircraft. The external model, 6DOF cockpit, advanced flight model, sounds... it's all there. Even the majority of the systems are already modelled in the A-10C. It would mainly just be a case of making the cockpit switches clickable... OK, it's probably a bit more than that, but still relatively easy compared to converting any other FC3 plane or making one from scratch. What do you guys think? PC Specs / Hardware: MSI z370 Gaming Plus Mainboard, Intel 8700k @ 5GHz, MSI Sea Hawk 2080 Ti @ 2100MHz, 32GB 3200 MHz DDR4 RAM Displays: Philips BDM4065UC 60Hz 4K UHD Screen, Pimax 8KX Controllers / Peripherals: VPC MongoosT-50, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, modded MS FFB2/CH Combatstick, MFG Crosswind Pedals, Gametrix JetSeat OS: Windows 10 Home Creator's Update
Czar66 Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 I think that's a beautiful dream and I also have it. :D IMO, FC3 level aircrafts serve a purpose to ED and DCS World that any other "full fidelity" would be able to. While this entry level purpose to newcomers are needed, we might not see the 10A in that format. That's what I think and I've noticed but I can be completely wrong. You can always load the C without the TGP and ignore other little things to get more close and personal to enemy ground forces. :D
cichlidfan Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 Stop using the TGP, on the C model, and you are most of the way there. ;) Nobody is going to make one so approximation is your best bet. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
MTFDarkEagle Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 Stop using the TGP, on the C model, and you are most of the way there. ;) Nobody is going to make one so approximation is your best bet. If I recall correctly the TGP was also available on the A-10A. They'd use the same monitor for the Maverick's, just switch it over. But I agree, it's the best approximation. Lukas - "TIN TIN" - 9th Shrek Air Strike Squadron TIN TIN's Cockpit thread
Boris Posted January 4, 2015 Author Posted January 4, 2015 Stop using the TGP, on the C model, and you are most of the way there. ;) Nobody is going to make one so approximation is your best bet. But just not loading the TGP isn't really the same is it... :P Why do you think nobody is going to make it? ED could make it with minimal resources and a good return. PC Specs / Hardware: MSI z370 Gaming Plus Mainboard, Intel 8700k @ 5GHz, MSI Sea Hawk 2080 Ti @ 2100MHz, 32GB 3200 MHz DDR4 RAM Displays: Philips BDM4065UC 60Hz 4K UHD Screen, Pimax 8KX Controllers / Peripherals: VPC MongoosT-50, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, modded MS FFB2/CH Combatstick, MFG Crosswind Pedals, Gametrix JetSeat OS: Windows 10 Home Creator's Update
cichlidfan Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 Why do you think nobody is going to make it? ED could make it with minimal resources and a good return. First, I don't think it would sell well enough for the effort to be worthwhile. Many will see it as basically the same aircraft. Second, ED didn't even bother with the equivalent FM for the A model so I doubt they have any serious notions about further upgrades. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
cichlidfan Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 If I recall correctly the TGP was also available on the A-10A. Possibly late in their life but AFAIK they didn't have TGPs during most of their combat deployments. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
HiJack Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 First, I don't think it would sell well enough for the effort to be worthwhile. Many will see it as basically the same aircraft. Second, ED didn't even bother with the equivalent FM for the A model so I doubt they have any serious notions about further upgrades. Do you happen to know how many ppl is interested in the 80's and 90's area of the A-10? Do you? Looks like you have done the research.
MTFDarkEagle Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 Possibly late in their life but AFAIK they didn't have TGPs during most of their combat deployments. Possibly yes - not 100% sure. First, I don't think it would sell well enough for the effort to be worthwhile. Many will see it as basically the same aircraft. Second, ED didn't even bother with the equivalent FM for the A model so I doubt they have any serious notions about further upgrades. FM for the C-version = FM for the A-version. They didn't bother because it's the same. Externally the A and C models are virtually identical (only some changes in antennes IIRC...) Personally, I'd LOVE an A-version DCS level. I'd ditch my C-version instantly. Lukas - "TIN TIN" - 9th Shrek Air Strike Squadron TIN TIN's Cockpit thread
SkateZilla Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 I think that's a beautiful dream and I also have it. :D IMO, FC3 level aircrafts serve a purpose to ED and DCS World that any other "full fidelity" would be able to. While this entry level purpose to newcomers are needed, we might not see the 10A in that format. That's what I think and I've noticed but I can be completely wrong. You can always load the C without the TGP and ignore other little things to get more close and personal to enemy ground forces. :D TBH, I'd Like an A-10A High Fidelity module as well, IIRC, it was planned at one point along with a list of others, but that was prior to A-10C I think. Windows 10 Pro, Ryzen 2700X @ 4.6Ghz, 32GB DDR4-3200 GSkill (F4-3200C16D-16GTZR x2), ASRock X470 Taichi Ultimate, XFX RX6800XT Merc 310 (RX-68XTALFD9) 3x ASUS VS248HP + Oculus HMD, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS + MFDs
cichlidfan Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) Do you happen to know how many ppl is interested in the 80's and 90's area of the A-10? Do you? Looks like you have done the research. No, but I have seen how many people expressed no interest in two different hornets, and they are far more different aircraft then the two models of A-10. If ED wants to make it, that is fine by me, I'll buy it when it's on sale for $5. However, as I said, they couldn't even put a proper FM on the A model so I don't see them being interested. Edited January 4, 2015 by cichlidfan ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
cichlidfan Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 (edited) FM for the C-version = FM for the A-version. They didn't bother because it's the same. No, it is not (in the sim). Please apply the left wheel brake in the A-10A. You can't. According to this post... Examples of AFM+ in DCS include the Su-25 and A-10A. http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=122801 ... the A-10C has a PFM, while the A-10A has an AFM+. Edited January 4, 2015 by cichlidfan ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
HiJack Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 This community represents a fraction of the customer base regarding the F/A-18 models, likewise I think it is regards of the A-10A. I bet many ppl on this community also would love more new aircrafts in stead of all these WWII models.
rcjonessnp175 Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 How about a more modern suite of the a10c? Don't see the fascination in older easier tech. Much more interesting things to learn with modern suites than their is the mothball tech. I7 4770k @ 4.6, sli 980 evga oc edition, ssdx2, Sony 55 inch edid hack nvidia 3dvision. Volair sim pit, DK2 Oculus Rift.
cichlidfan Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 This community represents a fraction of the customer base regarding the F/A-18 models, likewise I think it is regards of the A-10A. I bet many ppl on this community also would love more new aircrafts in stead of all these WWII models. Perhaps you are right. If so, ED's market research should indicate the same and we might see it. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
HiJack Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 I hope so. And also for the F/A-18, it's only USA that have the carrier based versions (as far as I know) and like the Finish and Canadians all use some variants of the C model. I would think this also have some effect on what you buy. I would buy them both but would switch to a F-15C in a second if that came in a full simulated version. So there you have 4 aircrafts I would buy on the day of their release at full price, I even used to buy two of each for the ones I love :D
Witchking Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 I think the big issue is the return for a A version. Although, we may see enough differences, unlike the differences between the Su-27 and Su-33.... there isn't enough to set apart the A-10A vs A-10C for the general public/market. People would rather buy the C version. It is a better aircraft, a more modern aircraft that all the RL aircraft have been updated to as well. WHISPR | Intel I7 5930K | Nvidia GTX980 4GB GDDR5 | 16GB DDR4 | Intel 730 series 512GB SSD | Thrustmaster WARTHOG | CH Pro Pedals | TrackIR4 pro | |A-10C|BS2 |CA|P-51 MUSTANG|UH-1H HUEY|MI-8 MTV2 |FC3|F5E|M2000C|AJS-37|FW190|BF 109K|Mig21|A-10:SSC,EWC|L-39|NEVADA|
Airbuster Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 An elegant way to add fidelity to the Flaming Cliffs AC series is to create a payable upgrade to the existing modules. For example ED can create and offer to sell Advanced System Modeling upgrade for any of these planes separately. If some like the easy learning curve they can still buy the Flaming Cliffs 3 package or any of the single module, but in time if they like to go deeper and study all the systems in detail, they can purchase the ASM upgrade and bring it to the same level as the other DCS modules. 1
HiJack Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 An elegant way to add fidelity to the Flaming Cliffs AC series is to create a payable upgrade to the existing modules. For example ED can create and offer to sell Advanced System Modeling upgrade for any of these planes separately. If some like the easy learning curve they can still buy the Flaming Cliffs 3 package or any of the single module, but in time if they like to go deeper and study all the systems in detail, they can purchase the ASM upgrade and bring it to the same level as the other DCS modules. Precisely :thumbup:
Echo179 Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 How about a more modern suite of the a10c? Don't see the fascination in older easier tech. Much more interesting things to learn with modern suites than their is the mothball tech. That's probably harder to do, since a lot of the systems would still be classified or hard to get access to to replicate properly, especially at the fidelity that A10C has spoiled us. Since it was a joint effort with the USAF, and even then some of the systems had to be substantially changed or made inoperable (IFF), getting a look at current day hardware and software would be harder still. This is why you're more likely to see cold war era aircraft than cutting edge new ones. I'd rather see PFMs and DCS fidelity for the other FC3 planes before the A10A though. We already have the C for NATO ground attack, so getting the F15C up for US air to air, and their Russian counterparts.
Xeno426 Posted January 4, 2015 Posted January 4, 2015 I wouldn't mind the Pave Penny getting modeled in the A-10A so you could do things like have an A-10C or human JTAC point out a target for you and allow you to employ LGBs.
WHOGX5 Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 I think the big issue is the return for a A version. Although, we may see enough differences, unlike the differences between the Su-27 and Su-33.... there isn't enough to set apart the A-10A vs A-10C for the general public/market. People would rather buy the C version. It is a better aircraft, a more modern aircraft that all the RL aircraft have been updated to as well. I thing that sets the A and the C-version apart (except for all of the avionics of course) is the era. The A-version was the workhorse of the Gulf War, long before the USAF started upgrading to the C-version. That's probably why there's a C and an E-version of the hornet being made. The C-version served in the Gulf War, the E-version didn't. This is especially true when you keep in mind that the Strait of Hormuz-map is about to be released. -Col. Russ Everts opinion on surface-to-air missiles: "It makes you feel a little better if it's coming for one of your buddies. However, if it's coming for you, it doesn't make you feel too good, but it does rearrange your priorities." DCS Wishlist: MC-130E Combat Talon | F/A-18F Lot 26 | HH-60G Pave Hawk | E-2 Hawkeye/C-2 Greyhound | EA-6A/B Prowler | J-35F2/J Draken | RA-5C Vigilante
MBot Posted January 5, 2015 Posted January 5, 2015 Another fan A-10A in green Euro camo here. One way to make a bigger differentiation between the A and the C would be to make a pre-LASTE model (the A-10A as it served in the 1980s up to including Desert Storm). That would mean no CCIP/CCRP, just a plain depressible pipper for manual aiming of bombs and the cannon. But I don't see it ever happening.
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