Datalink for F-15C Wish Item

[NiceFlighgt]

This game is unfair! totally Favorable to the Russians.

in this game F-15C do not have datalink. only the su-27 has datalink that of a great advantage to the su-27. advantage unfair..

in real life the f-15C has datalink, here in DCS F-15C has do not have datalink.

 

Please add the datalink in F-15C. fix it

[block ii]

in real life the f-15C has datalink, here in DCS F-15C has do not have datalink.

 

Please add the datalink in F-15C. fix it

 

 

I'm hoping for this fix , few years.

 

+1 :thumbup:

[karambiatos]

someone around here hasn't used the ER

[will-]

This game is unfair! totally Favorable to the Russians.

in this game F-15C do not have datalink. only the su-27 has datalink that of a great advantage to the su-27. advantage unfair..

in real life the f-15C has datalink, here in DCS F-15C has do not have datalink.

 

Please add the datalink in F-15C. fix it

 

Because you seem pretty knowledgeable in aircraft. Did you know the ground units use a Health meter? Yup. Call of Duty.

 

Each aircraft bring something to the table. Try the su-25t, compared to the su-25. Now don't judge each plane vs another, but as a whole. One plane may have a EFM, but not a AFM; etc. This maybe still over your head- just remember its still in beta!

 

"This game being unfair" i'd suggest you read a few post about Datalink or any other questions you may have. FYI there are some pretty smart, hands on BMFs around here. Good luck.

[NiceFlighgt]

Because you seem pretty knowledgeable in aircraft. Did you know the ground units use a Health meter? Yup. Call of Duty.

 

Each aircraft bring something to the table. Try the su-25t, compared to the su-25. Now don't judge each plane vs another, but as a whole. One plane may have a EFM, but not a AFM; etc. This maybe still over your head- just remember its still in beta!

 

"This game being unfair" i'd suggest you read a few post about Datalink or any other questions you may have. FYI there are some pretty smart, hands on BMFs around here. Good luck.

 

1° Because you seem very knowledgeable in aircraft . Did you know that ground units use the health meter ? Yes . Call of duty .

 

I'm not experienced in aircraft , but I 'm smart to know when something is unfair

 

2 ° Now do not judge each plan vs. other

 

yes I keep thinking , sup- 27 and F- 15 are opponents

 

3 ° " This game is unfair " I suggest you read the post about some Datalink or any other questions you may have. FYI there are some very smart , hands on biofuels here. Good luck.

 

yes it is unfair game! ! ! the F-15C without the datalink can not use IR in mod stealth

Edited January 25, 2015 by NiceFlighgt

[GGTharos]

There's nothing particularly unfair in FC3 right now. Don't expect new toys on FC3 aircraft.

[Cali]

Life is unfair, real war is unfair, get use to it. The F-15 is still a very good jet even without datalink. Learn how to use it, which will take a lot of practice and trying new things.

[pyromaniac4002]

The datalink should be there, there's no reason it shouldn't, but it's not a big deal. Just take out their A-50 and you're back on an even playing field.

[OB1]

This game is made by Russians do not expect equality or real superiority of F-15C, will never happen.

 

if you want to win in a game made by Russian , fly Russian planes LOL :megalol:

 

I find this disturbingly ignorant. ED started by making the game Flanker way back in the day and yet the F-15C got the revamp first. First fixed wing DCS level plane A-10C, For the WW2 planes P-51 first, there isn't even a Russian plane in development yet for the WW2 theater. Unbelievably unappreciated, and if you think flying a Russian plane in DCS = win you obviously have not played it properly.

[Ragnarok]

I Brazilian I have Preference for American planes , I would love to have the full version of F-15 but i already lost the hopes of flying F-15 complete.

 

This game is made by Russians do not expect equality or real superiority of F-15C, will never happen.

 

if you want to win in a game made by Russian , fly Russian planes LOL :megalol:

 

In real life F-15C the best

 

F-15C curriculum over 100 victories

 

SU-27 curriculum 0 victories, just a few birds killed entering the turbine. :D

 

After thousands of topics which were discussed at the forum more than the Pentagon and the Kremlin together, I have to read this post :doh:

[OnlyforDCS]

I agree that the F15C is very gimped in the sim when compared to the capabilites of the actual plane. The FC3 planes are feature locked, and until a full scale DCS F:15C module is released I dont think much will change in this regard. Just enjoy the plane as it is, its still my favorite fast mover and I believe is superior to just about anything that flies in the game at this point. (Even with all the missing features)

[Pepec9124]

Not so feature locked. MiG-29 got TWS2 and both Su-27 and Mig-29 got HUD repeater.

[Frostie]

1° Because you seem very knowledgeable in aircraft . Did you know that ground units use the health meter ? Yes . Call of duty .

 

I'm not experienced in aircraft , but I 'm smart to know when something is unfair

 

2 ° Now do not judge each plan vs. other

 

yes I keep thinking , sup- 27 and F- 15 are opponents

 

3 ° " This game is unfair " I suggest you read the post about some Datalink or any other questions you may have. FYI there are some very smart , hands on biofuels here. Good luck.

 

yes it is unfair game! ! ! the F-15C without the datalink can not use IR in mod stealth

The F-15C in FC3 is not the latest 2015 version, do you even know the difference between the current version and the preceding versions.

 

As for it being unfair I suggest it is your lack of ability which makes it unfair when flying against a superior pilot, nothing to do with EDs design. ;)

 

I'm hoping for this fix , few years.

 

+1 :thumbup:

 

This was JTIDS, it was cancelled in 1989.

 

http://www.faqs.org/docs/air/avf15_1.html

 

 

* In the mid-1980s, the USAF began to move forward on a "Multi-Stage Improvement Program II (MSIP II)" effort for the F-15C/D. A similar "MSIP I" was defined for the F-15A/B but abandoned as not cost-effective.

 

The centerpiece of MSIP II was the advanced AN/APG-70 radar, a next-generation descendant of the AN/APG-63, with the same antenna but much-improved capabilities and a range of operating modes. It featured "low probability of intercept" capabilities, allowing it to sense targets without being picked up by hostile radar warning receivers.

 

 

 

 

 

The cockpit layout was also improved, featuring:

• A new color display built by Honeywell.
  
• An improved countermeasures system, including an updated Loral AN/ALR-56C RWR; an improved Northrop AN/ALQ-135 built-in jammer; a new Magnavox warning system; and Tracor AN/ALE-45 chaff-flare dispensers mounted behind the nosewheel door.
  
• Provision for a "Joint Tactical Information Display System (JTIDS)" datalink, to be fitted later. However, JTIDS was cancelled in 1989.
  
• A new processing system, with four times more memory (a megabyte instead of 256 kilobytes, literally toylike either way by 21st-century standards) and three times more computing power.
  
• Support for the AIM-120 "Advanced Medium Range AAM (AMRAAM)", the modern follow-on to the Sparrow, with improved range and a much improved seeker with "fire and forget" capabilities. The new AN/APG-70 radar supported AMRAAM, particularly with "Non Cooperative Target Recognition (NCTR)", a highly secret pattern-matching scheme that allowed hostile targets to be reliably identified at long distance, an issue that had long hobbled BVR air combat. The AN/APG-70 was capable of not only recognizing different types of aircraft, but even sometimes different variants of a given type
  

Another very useful item has been a datalink. The JTIDS datalink, as mentioned, was cancelled, but the requirement didn't go away. In the early 1990s the US began a collaborative program with several European nations to begin development of the "Multifunction Information Distribution System -- Low-Volume Terminal (MIDS-LVT)" for the F-15C/D and other aircraft to provide a secure, high-bandwidth datalink for communications between NATO aircraft and other systems.

 

The F-15E was to receive a less sophisticated unit derived from MIDS-LVT, designated the "Fighter Data Link (FDL or 'Fiddle')", but this was originally a lower priority effort. However, in October 2001, with the need to support the US intervention in Afghanistan, the F-15E jumped to the top of the priority queue. Afghanistan put heavy demands on strike elements while air superiority was barely an issue. The entire Strike Eagle fleet was equipped with FDL in about a year, with the F-15C/D LVT installation lagging well behind. The F-15 community regards the datalink as very valuable, but not necessarily to be used to justify attacks without corroboration from some other source.

[OnlyforDCS]

Not so feature locked. MiG-29 got TWS2 and both Su-27 and Mig-29 got HUD repeater.

 

What I meant was feature locked to their specs with regards to the operating timeframe of the modeled planes. the HUD repeater for example exists in the birds that flew at the time. The datalink is a fairly recent upgrade to the F15C and did not exist in the model that we have simulated in FC3.

[TAW_Blaze]

The F-15C in FC3 is not the latest 2015 version, do you even know the difference between the current version and the preceding versions.

 

As for it being unfair I suggest it is your lack of ability which makes it unfair when flying against a superior pilot, nothing to do with EDs design. ;)

 

 

This was JTIDS, it was cancelled in 1989.

 

http://www.faqs.org/docs/air/avf15_1.html

 

 

* In the mid-1980s, the USAF began to move forward on a "Multi-Stage Improvement Program II (MSIP II)" effort for the F-15C/D. A similar "MSIP I" was defined for the F-15A/B but abandoned as not cost-effective.

 

The centerpiece of MSIP II was the advanced AN/APG-70 radar, a next-generation descendant of the AN/APG-63, with the same antenna but much-improved capabilities and a range of operating modes. It featured "low probability of intercept" capabilities, allowing it to sense targets without being picked up by hostile radar warning receivers.

 

 

 

 

 

The cockpit layout was also improved, featuring:

• A new color display built by Honeywell.
  
• An improved countermeasures system, including an updated Loral AN/ALR-56C RWR; an improved Northrop AN/ALQ-135 built-in jammer; a new Magnavox warning system; and Tracor AN/ALE-45 chaff-flare dispensers mounted behind the nosewheel door.
  
• Provision for a "Joint Tactical Information Display System (JTIDS)" datalink, to be fitted later. However, JTIDS was cancelled in 1989.
  
• A new processing system, with four times more memory (a megabyte instead of 256 kilobytes, literally toylike either way by 21st-century standards) and three times more computing power.
  
• Support for the AIM-120 "Advanced Medium Range AAM (AMRAAM)", the modern follow-on to the Sparrow, with improved range and a much improved seeker with "fire and forget" capabilities. The new AN/APG-70 radar supported AMRAAM, particularly with "Non Cooperative Target Recognition (NCTR)", a highly secret pattern-matching scheme that allowed hostile targets to be reliably identified at long distance, an issue that had long hobbled BVR air combat. The AN/APG-70 was capable of not only recognizing different types of aircraft, but even sometimes different variants of a given type
  

Another very useful item has been a datalink. The JTIDS datalink, as mentioned, was cancelled, but the requirement didn't go away. In the early 1990s the US began a collaborative program with several European nations to begin development of the "Multifunction Information Distribution System -- Low-Volume Terminal (MIDS-LVT)" for the F-15C/D and other aircraft to provide a secure, high-bandwidth datalink for communications between NATO aircraft and other systems.

 

The F-15E was to receive a less sophisticated unit derived from MIDS-LVT, designated the "Fighter Data Link (FDL or 'Fiddle')", but this was originally a lower priority effort. However, in October 2001, with the need to support the US intervention in Afghanistan, the F-15E jumped to the top of the priority queue. Afghanistan put heavy demands on strike elements while air superiority was barely an issue. The entire Strike Eagle fleet was equipped with FDL in about a year, with the F-15C/D LVT installation lagging well behind. The F-15 community regards the datalink as very valuable, but not necessarily to be used to justify attacks without corroboration from some other source.

 

http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/monograph_reports/MR1235/MR1235.chap9.pdf

 

Page 2 and 5/6. There appears to be 18 F-15C equipped with the 2nd class of said equipment. So I guess one could say it was indeed operational by the timeframe we're looking at.

[blkspade]

What I meant was feature locked to their specs with regards to the operating timeframe of the modeled planes. the HUD repeater for example exists in the birds that flew at the time. The datalink is a fairly recent upgrade to the F15C and did not exist in the model that we have simulated in FC3.

 

Well the year of the in-sim F-15C was never really established. In fact its been claimed to be an amalgamation of variants. The use of what has been designated as the AIM-120C-5 implies that its from 2000 at the very least. FDL capability would be 2004.

[block ii]

Well the year of the in-sim F-15C was never really established. In fact its been claimed to be an amalgamation of variants. The use of what has been designated as the AIM-120C-5 implies that its from 2000 at the very least. FDL capability would be 2004.

 

great ! ! ! perfect example thanks for help. :thumbup:

 

+1

[Frostie]

http://www.rand.org/content/dam/rand/pubs/monograph_reports/MR1235/MR1235.chap9.pdf

 

Page 2 and 5/6. There appears to be 18 F-15C equipped with the 2nd class of said equipment. So I guess one could say it was indeed operational by the timeframe we're looking at.

 

Those 18 aircraft were also fitted with AESA radar, planned or not they don't fit into DCS. The cockpit in DCS is predating an APG-63(v)2.

[GGTharos]

They were fitted with JTIDS well before they were fitted with AESA.

 

But it's ok, really, the step to make this work better and be 'all fair' is to remove the R-77 capability from the MiG-29S, as well as TWS (it was only fitted to a few 9.13S's), and ensure that only one in every 4 flankers gets a jammer set.

 

Two can play this game ... get it?

[USARStarkey]

They were fitted with JTIDS well before they were fitted with AESA.

 

But it's ok, really, the step to make this work better and be 'all fair' is to remove the R-77 capability from the MiG-29S, as well as TWS (it was only fitted to a few 9.13S's), and ensure that only one in every 4 flankers gets a jammer set.

 

Two can play this game ... get it?

 

Those all sound like reasonable improvements to the game

[GGTharos]

And just to repeat, and be clear:

 

Don't expect new toys for FC3. If something's added, great, but AFAIK the way forward is DCS modules. I don't think you'll any see huge improvements in FC3 systems.

 

And no, I'm not saying that there are DCS versions of the FC birds in the works.

[*Rage*]

Correctly functioning (plane to plane) datalink for the Su27 would be a much more appropriate addition than an F15c partial add-on.

[GGTharos]

I'd say more realistically functioning ECM would be a more appropriate addition across the board.

[Frostie]

They were fitted with JTIDS well before they were fitted with AESA.

 

But it's ok, really, the step to make this work better and be 'all fair' is to remove the R-77 capability from the MiG-29S, as well as TWS (it was only fitted to a few 9.13S's), and ensure that only one in every 4 flankers gets a jammer set.

 

Two can play this game ... get it?

What game? I'm all for that, but that doesn't make anything fair.

I thought you understood that fairness is not what simulation is about or have you joined that camp now?

[MacEwan]

This could be just me but I couldn't care less about what's fair or unfair. I just want the most realistic simulation of the aircraft/model/era possible in my favourite sim.