Suncom SFS and Talon restoration and mods

[lunaticfringe]

I'm good with the three resistors, although does that permit it to take three additional switches? I've got an actual F-15's Auto Acquisition switch that I'll be wanting to wire in accounting for two, and intend on dual-staging the trigger for number three.

 

I'm comfortable with more wires to the grip if this isn't doable, but asking since you mention it.

 

And apologies for the late response- completely forgot about this conversation until I looked at the grip on my workbench earlier today.

[debolestis]

I'm good with the three resistors, although does that permit it to take three additional switches? I've got an actual F-15's Auto Acquisition switch that I'll be wanting to wire in accounting for two, and intend on dual-staging the trigger for number three.

 

I'm comfortable with more wires to the grip if this isn't doable, but asking since you mention it.

 

And apologies for the late response- completely forgot about this conversation until I looked at the grip on my workbench earlier today.

 

Technically it is doable, there is possibility to add 3 more switches, but it would be very difficult. Some wires should be soldered directly on 4021 chips and they are so tiny.

[debolestis]

I started this thread 2 years ago with idea to convert Suncom grip to USB, I finished one finally.

 

 

5pin DIN connector is not visible but I did same thing like in THIS POST, I just used different headers.

 

 

Everything works, unfortunately I don't have two hat knobs, they were destroyed in previous modding attempt. I think I'll have to print them.

With this new PCB it was very easy mod.

Edited July 13, 2017 by debolestis

[Haukka81]

If you print , please dont make poles like stock , stock feel is bit soft. Maybe somekind bumbs where microswitchs are.

 

 

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[debolestis]

If you print , please dont make poles like stock , stock feel is bit soft. Maybe somekind bumbs where microswitchs are.

 

 

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You mean that 4way switches feel light? I used 6mm tact switches that are 7mm tall, like original. Maybe I could use 5mm and see how that works. That will give a longer throw. Maybe I have a few around somewhere. I need to test it.

[Haukka81]

You mean that 4way switches feel light? I used 6mm tact switches that are 7mm tall, like original. Maybe I could use 5mm and see how that works. That will give a longer throw. Maybe I have a few around somewhere. I need to test it.

 

It may be suncom hat system, i think that tact swicthes are good , just suncom hat pole is bad or spring too heavy , need to make test. Soon as i have time :book:

[Sokol1_br]

Suncom HAT use a big spring in their pole and the travel to press the micro-swtich is bigger that in other joysticks HAT. Is more like in this L-39 trim HAT (first seconds):

 

[debolestis]

BTW, I have 5 more PCBs I'll sell them for 15$ + shipping, soldered with all chips and switches and 3 headers (connectors). If I sell them all I'll order a new batch.

[RAZBAM_ELMO]

Count me in for one

 

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[debolestis]

Count me in for one

 

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No problem, i'll let you know when it is finished.

[Haukka81]

Suncom HAT use a big spring in their pole and the travel to press the micro-swtich is bigger that in other joysticks HAT. Is more like in this L-39 trim HAT (first seconds):

 

 

Travel is possible to mod shorter (imho) , shorter spring and different pole from hat to micro switches. :book:

[BusterBust]

Debolestis

 

Ill take the 5th board if no one scoops it up as i have a second stick (with the big gross red button), want it as a back up.

 

Quick question...where can i get the hall sensor board like the one i would attached to your Cougar stick gimbal? Im getting lost in web pages and not really getting anywhere i could order a set or two.

 

Thanks

[Sokol1_br]

You need assembly the TLE5010/11 magnet resistance PCB. :)

 

Or buy read to use from China: https://es.aliexpress.com/item/TLE5010-digital-mode-magnetoresistive-angle-sensor/32634095245.html?%20Spm=2114.13010608.0.0.%20Eqr0Mr

 

FYI - Some units from Aliexpress need re-selder components, QC fail. :)

 

EDIT - I forget that TLE5010/11 work in digital mode, so is not compatible with Cougar controller, that support only analog input.

Edited March 8, 2017 by Sokol1_br
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[BusterBust]

Thanks much Sokol1

 

Have you used the ones from AliExp? Any recommendations for a magnet?

 

Thanks

 

Update- im trying to find it on the english AliExp site but im having no luck.

Edited March 7, 2017 by BusterBust

[Sokol1_br]

No, but a forum colleague use - and have problem with bad solders.

 

The ideal magnet is circular or ring diametrical magnetized.

 

Some guys that bough from Aliexpress receive magnets together with boards, but others not.

 

http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/4331024/re-mmjoy-mmjoy2-build-your-own-usb-controller#Post4331024

[debolestis]

I now use GVL224 sensors. He sold me two sensors and two magnets for 19$, shipping included. He is here on forum just send him a message. I just uploaded new version of gimbal yesterday. I corrected a few things. I'll write a post later today.

[Sokol1_br]

Have you used the ones from AliExp? Any recommendations for a magnet?

 

BusterBust,

 

I am forgetting a detail, this TLE5010/11 sensor in Aliexpress work in digital mode (5 wires) and so is not suitable for Cougar circuit, that work only with analog sensors (3 wires).

 

TLE5010/11 is for use with MMjoy2.

 

Like Debolestis post above GVL224 is the source for "MagRez" KMZ41 analog sensors PCB:

 

http://avia-sim.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=683

 

Or if you want assembly PCB, use this circuit.

 

http://avia-sim.ru/forum/viewtopic.php?t=572

Edited March 7, 2017 by Sokol1_br

[roadrunner1024]

does anyone have a spare sfs throttle POT, or a link to something compatable?

 

one of my pots has never worked, and i need a spare that works

[Goblin]

I ordered the TLE sensors from AliEx. So far I have tested 3 out of 6, and they work great! All came with magnets, but so far I have only used the old magnets already in the VKB pincer gimbal.

[Sokol1_br]

does anyone have a spare sfs throttle POT, or a link to something compatable?

one of my pots has never worked, and i need a spare that works

 

I know that RS F.U.S.B.A conversion for SFS came with new pot's, what means that this pot's still in production. Don't know what brand and specs of this pots.

Suncom F-15 stick seems use a proprietary and discontinued model.

 

If you want pot for replace in SFS working in original form (gameport), you need 100k B type pot. Here their dimmensions - what is a critical factor to find a similar for replacement:

 

http://www.gavca.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=24094

 

If this SFS is converted for USB get a 10K B type pot.

 

The sensor TLE5010 showed by Goblin only work in digital controllers, for analog controllers you can use GVL224 MagRez that is similar to this, see me post above.

[uscstaylor]

Please let me know if you have any left I want one debolestis. I have been dying to convert my F-15 Talon to use on my Warthog.

[debolestis]

I have 3 PCBs left, send me a PM with your address.

[uscstaylor]

PM sent thanks brother

[uscstaylor]

Hey Man

I recieved the board for the Suncom but IM curious I need to buy the 2 button controls for the thumb and pinky triggers can you send me a link, thanks man.

[debolestis]

You mean switches? There should be 2 switches in the grip. If you don't have them you can buy them here:

 

http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/12x12mm-Momentary-Tactile-Push-Button-Switch-PCB-Mounted-SPST-/251779585322?nav=SEARCH&varId=550703579703