Friedrich-4B Posted February 24, 2015 Author Posted February 24, 2015 (edited) For interest, here are two articles on the ME 262's structural details and engines; they were first published in Aviation magazine in the U.S in October and November 1945. Note that there is a small amount of propaganda in the first article, where the pilots are called Nazis and "little Führers", but mostly these are straightforward engineering appraisals. Also attached is an article on Anselm Franz who designed the Junkers Jumo 004. Plus, here is an original Luftwaffe training film with an English translation of the narrative. NB: This was made by Erprobungskommando 262 based at Lechfield from April-September 1944. The instructor is likely to be the unit's commander, Hptm Werner Thierfelder, who was KIA in the 262 on 18 July 1944; the trainee may well be OberLeutnant Günther Wegmann, who was later on Kdo Nowotny then III./JG 7, chalking up 8 victories on the 262. The following is an excerpt from a program on the 262 that features Bob Strobell, who flew 262's for "Watson's Whizzers", and British test pilot Eric Brown. Edited February 26, 2015 by Friedrich-4/B change layout slightly [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]************************************* Fortunately, Mk IX is slightly stable, anyway, the required stick travel is not high... but nothing extraordinary. Very pleasant to fly, very controllable, predictable and steady. We never refuse to correct something that was found outside ED if it is really proven...But we never will follow some "experts" who think that only they are the greatest aerodynamic guru with a secret knowledge. :smartass: WWII AIRCRAFT PERFORMANCE
Manoxerox Posted July 2, 2015 Posted July 2, 2015 The big question still is: will the Me 262 ever be released in DCS WWII!! And will the DCS WWII ever be released.:helpsmilie::pilotfly:
ED Team NineLine Posted July 2, 2015 ED Team Posted July 2, 2015 Yes and Yes Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
Silver_Dragon Posted July 2, 2015 Posted July 2, 2015 If no related news about them. Expected 2016-18 timeline, after WW2 North France map, I suppose. For Work/Gaming: 28" Philips 246E Monitor - Ryzen 7 1800X - 32 GB DDR4 - nVidia RTX1080 - SSD 860 EVO 1 TB / 860 QVO 1 TB / 860 QVO 2 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Warthog / TPR / MDF
ED Team NineLine Posted July 2, 2015 ED Team Posted July 2, 2015 If no related news about them. Expected 2016-18 timeline, after WW2 North France map, I suppose. That's not a good formula.... Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
fastfreddie Posted July 2, 2015 Posted July 2, 2015 There are many stories of combat experience with and versus the 262. I don't think I've ever heard a single one about the Meteor. Were they actually in combat anywhere, other than chasing down V1's? As far as I know Meteors never saw air to air action against any airplanes. They shot up some aircraft on the ground but by the time they hit the air over Germany it was over.
MiloMorai Posted July 3, 2015 Posted July 3, 2015 As far as I know Meteors never saw air to air action against any airplanes. They shot up some aircraft on the ground but by the time they hit the air over Germany it was over. In March, the entire squadron was moved to Gilze-Rijen and then in April, to Nijmegen. The Meteors flew armed reconnaissance and ground attack operations without encountering any German jet fighters. By late April, the squadron was based at Faßberg, Germany. It should be noted that many RAF pilots did their tours and never saw a German a/c.
Cool Breeze Posted August 31, 2015 Posted August 31, 2015 Thank you all for the excellent documents! Anyone interested in giving German lessons? :thumbup::book: Hope to see her in DCSW2! "For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Leonardo Da Vinci "We are tied to the ocean. And when we go back to the sea, whether it is to sail or to watch - we are going back from whence we came." John F. Kennedy
Crumpp Posted September 2, 2015 Posted September 2, 2015 As far as I know Meteors never saw air to air action against any airplanes. They shot up some aircraft on the ground but by the time they hit the air over Germany it was over. Yes...it did not participate in any combat. Answers to most important questions ATC can ask that every pilot should memorize: 1. No, I do not have a pen. 2. Indicating 250
Mrgud Posted September 16, 2015 Posted September 16, 2015 I was watching this documentary few days ago so. It's about development of the first jet engine and impressions that Me-262 left on the allied pilots.
Griffon26 Posted September 16, 2015 Posted September 16, 2015 What do you guys think about this weapon? Ok it never was used and maybe it hadnt even worked but: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruhrstahl_X-4 Do you guys wanna see them in DCS for the 262? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Never parachute into an area you've just bombed You never have too much fuel, unless you burn.
ED Team NineLine Posted September 16, 2015 ED Team Posted September 16, 2015 R4M would make more sense for the 262 as I dont think these were ever more than tested on the 262. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
Griffon26 Posted September 16, 2015 Posted September 16, 2015 R4M would make more sense for the 262 as I dont think these were ever more than tested on the 262. Yea of course! I just wondered about how It would fit as an little Extra since all AA and Tow rockets nowadays are the childs of this :D Regards Griffon26 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Never parachute into an area you've just bombed You never have too much fuel, unless you burn.
RAZBAM_ELMO Posted September 16, 2015 Posted September 16, 2015 the only time these were used operationally were near the end of the war in the ETO, and only on twin engine props like 217 ju-88 and hs-219 i believe. Tested on late model variant of 262 with radar in nose but was found to be lacking in accuracy on anything less than a large, slow moving ship. Know and use all the capabilities in your airplane. If you don't, sooner or later, some guy who does use them all will kick your ass. — Dave 'Preacher' Pace, USN.
Mizzy Posted September 17, 2015 Posted September 17, 2015 Looking forward to a future project. Two jet engines, 2 or 4 x 30mm cannon mit mineshells and (maybe) a couple of bombs? What's not to like about the Me 262? Anyway, here are some primary source documents to peruse: (via Avialogs [first two] and Zenos Warbirds Nothing to do with DCS and simulations but couldn't help but notice Jon Lord !! Lord of the Hammond. Best wishes. Mizzy
MiloMorai Posted September 20, 2015 Posted September 20, 2015 the only time these were used operationally were near the end of the war in the ETO, and only on twin engine props like 217 ju-88 and hs-219 i believe. Tested on late model variant of 262 with radar in nose but was found to be lacking in accuracy on anything less than a large, slow moving ship. Elmo, what is a Hs219?
Silver_Dragon Posted September 20, 2015 Posted September 20, 2015 Elmo, what is a Hs219? Heinkel He 219 Uhu Night Hunter fighter https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heinkel_He_219 For Work/Gaming: 28" Philips 246E Monitor - Ryzen 7 1800X - 32 GB DDR4 - nVidia RTX1080 - SSD 860 EVO 1 TB / 860 QVO 1 TB / 860 QVO 2 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Warthog / TPR / MDF
SPEKTRE76 Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 When this plane comes out we can finally do some historic P-51 vs. Me-262 fights. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] NEED DESIGN PROJECTS FOR YOUR CAMPAIGNS? PM ME.
Hummingbird Posted September 21, 2015 Posted September 21, 2015 When this plane comes out we can finally do some historic P-51 vs. Me-262 fights. If the Me262 gets its historic performance then it's going to be mostly about catching it when landing or taking off. Esp. since the ingame Me262 pilots don't have to worry about focusing on bombers, and because they will be getting a lot of flight time practice, none of which the real pilots had in 44-45. 1
Hummingbird Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 I do wonder when the 262 is going to arrive though, is there any intel on that?
ED Team NineLine Posted October 13, 2015 ED Team Posted October 13, 2015 I do wonder when the 262 is going to arrive though, is there any intel on that? Its queued up behind the Spitfire and P-47 Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug**
ED Team Yo-Yo Posted October 13, 2015 ED Team Posted October 13, 2015 Try L-39 to understand what Me-262 will be. Very close. Ніщо так сильно не ранить мозок, як уламки скла від розбитих рожевих окулярів There is nothing so hurtful for the brain as splinters of broken rose-coloured spectacles. Ничто так сильно не ранит мозг, как осколки стекла от разбитых розовых очков (С) Me
zantron Posted October 13, 2015 Posted October 13, 2015 i hope the unreliability of the engines (true of course for all jet engines of this era) is accurately portrayed “The murder of a man is still murder, even in wartime.” -Manfred von Richthofen
HeadHunter52 Posted October 14, 2015 Posted October 14, 2015 The 262 will be rather more effective in sim than IRL. Like the man said, there will be training time like nobody's business, and pilots will learn how to fight the thing, with whatever flight model there is. It's not something I would put into a sim without some serious limitations. Dogs of War Squadron Call sign "HeadHunter" P-51D /Spitfire Jockey Gigabyte EP45T-UD3LR /Q9650 3.6Ghz | 16GB DDR3 1600 RipJaws | EVGA GTX-1060 ACX3 FTW | ThrustMaster 16000m & G13 GamePad w/analog rudder stick | TurtleBeach EarForce PX22 | Track IR5 | Vizio 40" 4K TV monitor (stuck temporarily with an Acer 22" :( )
Hummingbird Posted October 14, 2015 Posted October 14, 2015 (edited) Its queued up behind the Spitfire and P-47 Okay, thanks :) Try L-39 to understand what Me-262 will be. Very close. Really? The L-39 lacks slats though and is over 100 km/h slower, so I'd expect some difference. But I might check it out :) i hope the unreliability of the engines (true of course for all jet engines of this era) is accurately portrayed Don't think there's any way to do that really as none of us will be flying for 25+ hours in the same aircraft at a time :P Also the problems with the Jumo 004's were largely solved in the end with the B-4 which introduced air cooled hollow turbine blades for better cooling, extending the service life over the B-3 from 25 to 50 hours. (The B-2 usually lasted only 10 hours) Also a throttle regulator to prevent compressor stalls & flameouts caused by too aggressive throttle management was implemented in late 44. All in all these changes solved all the mechanical issues whilst the service life obviously always would be limited by the metals available. Thus I'm not really sure how any unreliability would be modelled ingame, other than too aggressive throttle movements being a problem if we get the B-4 engines without the throttle regulators. Edited October 14, 2015 by Hummingbird
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