Medium bombers

[ebabil]

is there a certain aircarft list so far?

i am especially curious about big and mid bombers of wwi.

[SilentGun]

Wait a minute, where's the B-17?

[Charly_Owl]

Wait a minute, where's the B-17?

 

The B-17 is not a medium bomber :D

 

VEAO explained their thought process regarding multi-engine WW2 aircraft.

 

1) The making of a heavy bomber is much, MUCH more complex than for fighter aircraft

2) The best way to create a reliable, performance-friendly multi-engine aircraft is to process by iterations

3) VEAO's plan is to start with a twin-engine (C-47), and from the lessons learned from the twin-engine they plan to apply these for heavy quad-engine bombers.

[SilentGun]

What?!? If I recall correctly the only heavy B-17's were the G and the F the E's were mediums right?

 

"The four-engined B-17 was designed as a heavily-armed, long-range medium bomber. It became the mainstay of the USAF bomber offensive over Europe." http://www.fighter-planes.com/info/b17.htm

Edited April 10, 2015 by SilentGun

[Charly_Owl]

What?!? If I recall correctly the only heavy B-17's were the G and the F the E's were mediums right?

 

"The four-engined B-17 was designed as a heavily-armed, long-range medium bomber. It became the mainstay of the USAF bomber offensive over Europe." http://www.fighter-planes.com/info/b17.htm

 

That's just plain wrong.

 

By WW2 standards, the B-17 is considered a heavy. Same goes for the Lancaster. That's why most WW2-era documentaries refer to the Lanc, the B-24, the B-17, the Halifax, the Stirling and the Pe-8 as "The Heavies".

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-17_Flying_Fortress

 

The Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress is a four-engine heavy bomber aircraft developed in the 1930s for the United States Army Air Corps (USAAC).

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_bomber

 

Heavy bombers are bomber aircraft with the greatest bomb load carrying capacity and longest range of their time.

 

You can also see it here:

http://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/heavy-bomber-aircraft.asp

Edited April 10, 2015 by Charly_Owl

[SilentGun]

:huh:huh.. all the facts ive ever red led me to believe the B-17 was a medium.

 

guess I got to go read more books!:smartass:

 

EDIT: after looking around in my collection of books, I have concluded that the B-17 was a medium bomber until they redefined Heavy bomber "A heavy bomber is defined as having four engines, a long range and a large bomb load."

 

So I was right (to an extent) but you are also right Charly_Owl.

But hey its a win win :P

Edited April 10, 2015 by SilentGun

[vicx]

Of course I come to join the medium/heavy debate.

 

The Bristol Beaufighter and the DeHavilland Mosquito (which are great aircraft) do not belong in this list. They are heavy fighter-bombers (only 2 crew) and the others are dedicated medium bombers or really close to being heavy-type bombers with two engines.

 

If someone wants to create a thread for heavy fighter-bombers. I'll vote in that one.

[Wolf Rider]

personally, I'd like to see the "Dam Busters" and the "Pathfinders" for The Allies, and also some Axis bombers which flew havoc over London.

 

Fully realising that The Pacific (PTO) will quite ways off... some "Doolittle Raiders" (plus CV-8 ;) ) and some "Betty's"

 

 

:)

Edited April 10, 2015 by Wolf Rider

[OutOnTheOP]

Of course I come to join the medium/heavy debate.

 

The Bristol Beaufighter and the DeHavilland Mosquito (which are great aircraft) do not belong in this list. They are heavy fighter-bombers (only 2 crew) and the others are dedicated medium bombers or really close to being heavy-type bombers with two engines.

 

If someone wants to create a thread for heavy fighter-bombers. I'll vote in that one.

 

I would argue that bomb payload and lack of forward gun payload would indicate that Mosquito should be on the list, but Beaufighter, I agree, is more akin to Me110/ Me410/ P61, and should be regarded as a heavy fighter-bomber.

 

I suppose technically, Mosquito wasn't a bomber, but filled a (now obsolete) role known as an "Invader", which I suppose would be akin to deep strike nowadays.

 

Speaking of which: A-26C with 8-gun nose!

[Kurfürst]

That's just plain wrong.

 

By WW2 standards, the B-17 is considered a heavy.

 

The arguement for it is not without merit. The B-17 was a result of a procurement for a very long range maritime bomber, not a heavy bomber. Nobody particularly wanted it to be a four engine one, Boeing just cut the corners and made it a four engine one. In bomber capabilties, however, the early ones were not that much different from the better medium bombers of the war. The limited internal bombload, which is often laid at the doors of the B-17 in comparison but its largely unfair since it was put to a task (strategic bombin) which it was not supposed to do originally.

[lothar29]

B25

[Silver_Dragon]

B-26 marauders on north africa (12th Bomb Group)

YzuH4dzm3Cc

[FlyGuyF119]

Just give me all of them and ill be happy.

[Kal-El]

If the 4 engine bomber are too complex and time consuming to build, wonder why these are not seen as good starts. B25, I would pay $100.

 

Any developers, not to busy, out there that want my money?

[The_Pharoah]

Ok we will now have the FW190, ME109, P51D, Spitfire Mk IX and P47D.

 

Is it now about time we have something with >1 engine? A B25 or Bristol Beaufighter or A26 would be awesome. The Normandy map wouldn't be much without having bombers to escort.

[RabidRider]

HE-111

[Soulres]

What we need is simple cockpits (like the su25t) so Development will be faster/easier. And have advanced cockpits become available later(if you want) I love twin engine aircraft and expanding on the Types of aircraft you can fly, will bring different types of players.

[VrValor]

I think Cliff of Dovers servers/campaigns are a good place to get ideas.

 

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[Satanas]

A-20G ....

[Darkwolf]

If the 4 engine bomber are too complex and time consuming to build, wonder why these are not seen as good starts. B25, I would pay $100.

 

You know, both engines are same system to model. Shouldn't impact much on system ;)

[Satanas]

a crazy plane .....

P-61 Blackwidow ... :pilotfly: