Scooternutz Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 The devils advocate speking here :) Why should I buy a module from a firm who never ever finished a DCS module yet? The Mig-21 is the most simple supersonic jet ever built with the most primitive (easy to modell) avionics and systems and months after its release I am still beta testing it, expereiencing buggy systems, avionics, weapons. Violent changes in flight modelling ansoon. The tomcat is a trizillion times more complex bird. Just my 2c I will buy two to make up for you not buying one. [sIGPIC]https://drive.google.com/file/d/16rUBmmJR7A3YGZVGPGskxG1XtvulGojJ/view?usp=sharing[/sIGPIC]
Dudikoff Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) Why should I buy a module from a firm who never ever finished a DCS module yet? Because it will be the only modern hi-def Tomcat combat simulation? There's your reason right there. I bought that crappy Strike Fighters Naval expansion just for the Tomcat effort so even if it ends left down in some limbo beta state (like if you would consider MiG-21 being there or some of the Belsimtek modules; not that I do just to be clear) it will totally be worth it IMHO. If that's not enough for you, then just wait and see and buy it if it's completed to your expectations. Edited March 12, 2015 by Dudikoff i386DX40@42 MHz w/i387 CP, 4 MB RAM (8*512 kB), Trident 8900C 1 MB w/16-bit RAMDAC ISA, Quantum 340 MB UDMA33, SB 16, DOS 6.22 w/QEMM + Win3.11CE, Quickshot 1btn 2axis, Numpad as hat. 2 FPH on a good day, 1 FPH avg. DISCLAIMER: My posts are still absolutely useless. Just finding excuses not to learn the F-14 (HB's Swansong?). Annoyed by my posts? Please consider donating. Once the target sum is reached, I'll be off to somewhere nice I promise not to post from. I'd buy that for a dollar!
Scooternutz Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 That's something you have to figure out yourself based on your own thoughts and impressions of their current work. I have no issue personally, but then I am not you, and you are not me. Oh, can I be you just for one day?!!! [sIGPIC]https://drive.google.com/file/d/16rUBmmJR7A3YGZVGPGskxG1XtvulGojJ/view?usp=sharing[/sIGPIC]
Scooternutz Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 Cobra I'm with you! ;) Same here! In disbelief here. I was going to go high and right but those of us who understand just how complex the Mig-21 is...I better stop right there. [sIGPIC]https://drive.google.com/file/d/16rUBmmJR7A3YGZVGPGskxG1XtvulGojJ/view?usp=sharing[/sIGPIC]
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Scooternutz Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 ...so what the hell do I know.. Enough to make a well informed opinion. You rock! [sIGPIC]https://drive.google.com/file/d/16rUBmmJR7A3YGZVGPGskxG1XtvulGojJ/view?usp=sharing[/sIGPIC]
outlawal2 Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 The devils advocate speking here :) Why should I buy a module from a firm who never ever finished a DCS module yet? The Mig-21 is the most simple supersonic jet ever built with the most primitive (easy to modell) avionics and systems and months after its release I am still beta testing it, expereiencing buggy systems, avionics, weapons. Violent changes in flight modelling ansoon. The tomcat is a trizillion times more complex bird. Just my 2c Well the only thing I can say is that the only part of this statement that has any merit whatsoever is you questioning yourself whether you should buy a module.. I agree wholeheartedly that you should not buy another module and hopefully you won't waste everyone's elses time with drivel such as what you just posted... Please TROLL elsewhere as adults reside on this forum.. :doh: "Pride is a poor substitute for intelligence." RAMBO
Spook Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 And they think about the fact ... That Eagle Dynamics Simulations and Leatherneck request support or make a contract with Paramount Pictures to make a society based marketing your product F-14 Tomcat, combining both products in a single event, 30 years of Top Gun and flight simulator memorial DCS F-14 Tomcat? It is possible? I would like to Wags us answer this question. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Flagrum Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 MiG-21 ... just some oversized hot air hair dryer and some buckets with gas, attached to a big triangular sheet metal plate. I can see Sissy's point here! (:D)
cichlidfan Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 And they think about the fact ... That Eagle Dynamics Simulations and Leatherneck request support or make a contract with Paramount Pictures to make a society based marketing your product F-14 Tomcat, combining both products in a single event, 30 years of Top Gun and flight simulator memorial DCS F-14 Tomcat? It is possible? I would like to Wags us answer this question. The DCS customer base is not large enough for Paramount to care about. ED/LN don't bring enough to the table. Not to mention that release schedules would definitely be part of that contract, which would not be good for ED/LN. ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
lunaticfringe Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 Hard to find the appropriate words. Brother's knowledge of aviation history is disturbingly lacking to make such pronouncements, no?
outlawal2 Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 Hard to find the appropriate words. Actually the appropriate words are quite easy to find.. Problem is that none of them are allowed on a nice forum such as this! Cobra, do not let ignorance and obvious trolling get you down... Your hard work and the work of your team is much appreciated by those that have a clue... We SALUTE YOU SIR! :thumbup: "Pride is a poor substitute for intelligence." RAMBO
lunaticfringe Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 The DCS customer base is not large enough for Paramount to care about. ED/LN don't bring enough to the table. Paramount doesn't give a rats ass about "customer base" size. Dangle a large enough contract out in front of them, and they'll let you stick a TOP GUN logo on a line of sex toys to reenact Quentin Tarantino's wet dreams between Maverick, Goose, Slider, and Iceman, akin to that Shiny Vampire Fanfiction movie out now.
cichlidfan Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 Paramount doesn't give a rats ass about "customer base" size. Dangle a large enough contract out in front of them, and they'll let you stick a TOP GUN logo on a line of sex toys to reenact Quentin Tarantino's wet dreams between Maverick, Goose, Slider, and Iceman, akin to that Shiny Vampire Fanfiction movie out now. What are you going to use to make the contract 'large'? ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
Greekbull Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 And they think about the fact ... That Eagle Dynamics Simulations and Leatherneck request support or make a contract with Paramount Pictures to make a society based marketing your product F-14 Tomcat, combining both products in a single event, 30 years of Top Gun and flight simulator memorial DCS F-14 Tomcat? It is possible? I would like to Wags us answer this question. It wouldn't make any sense. As stated before way too small of a target audience. 1. Anyone playing DCS would seek out and watch anything related to aviation anyway. 2. Paramount would have zero interest in doing a promotion on a 29-30 year old movie. If they do make a Top Gun 2 it will have nothing to do with with the F-14. Let's just let LN do a great job as they already are and enjoy a Tomcat soon:D AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D | ASUS Crosshair Hero X670E | 64GB G Skill Trident Z DDR5 6000 | Nvidia RTX 4090 FE| Samsung EVO Plus 6 TB M.2 PCIe SSDs | TM Hornet Stick/WinWing Hornet Throttle and MIP | VPForce Rhino FFB Base | TM TPR Rudder Pedals W/Damper | Varjo Aero/Pimax Crystal | NeoEngress NACES Seat VFA-25 Fist of the Fleet Carrier Strike Group One(CSG-1) Discord
Vampyre Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 If they do make a Top Gun 2 it will have nothing to do with with the F-14. :D Very true. If the true star of the movie (the F-14) is not going to be in the sequel then you will end up with a very lack luster flick. That is why I am not really excited by a Topgun sequel. Truly superior pilots are those that use their superior judgment to avoid those situations where they might have to use their superior skills. If you ever find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! "If at first you don't succeed, Carrier Landings are not for you!"
Greekbull Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 I saw an interview somewhere with Tom Cruise and he hinted the script would be a human pilots being replaced by drones type of plot and Maverick comes in to save the day...kinda sounded like Stealth 2.0 but a little more based in reality. AMD Ryzen 9 7950X3D | ASUS Crosshair Hero X670E | 64GB G Skill Trident Z DDR5 6000 | Nvidia RTX 4090 FE| Samsung EVO Plus 6 TB M.2 PCIe SSDs | TM Hornet Stick/WinWing Hornet Throttle and MIP | VPForce Rhino FFB Base | TM TPR Rudder Pedals W/Damper | Varjo Aero/Pimax Crystal | NeoEngress NACES Seat VFA-25 Fist of the Fleet Carrier Strike Group One(CSG-1) Discord
captain_dalan Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 Paramount doesn't give a rats ass about "customer base" size. Dangle a large enough contract out in front of them, and they'll let you stick a TOP GUN logo on a line of sex toys to reenact Quentin Tarantino's wet dreams between Maverick, Goose, Slider, and Iceman, akin to that Shiny Vampire Fanfiction movie out now. Nailed it! :megalol: Modules: FC3, Mirage 2000C, Harrier AV-8B NA, F-5, AJS-37 Viggen, F-14B, F-14A, Combined Arms, F/A-18C, F-16C, MiG-19P, F-86, MiG-15, FW-190A, Spitfire Mk IX, UH-1 Huey, Su-25, P-51PD, Caucasus map, Nevada map, Persian Gulf map, Marianas map, Syria Map, Super Carrier, Sinai map, Mosquito, P-51, AH-64 Apache
sissypilot Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 With the mig I bought: "Years in the making, our advanced flight modelling is the foundation upon which the DCS: MiG-21 is built. Comprised of over 100 simulation components and designed by an active duty MiG-21 pilot , it ensure the most authentic MiG-21 experience ever created." It seems that an active mig-21 pilot cannot decide after month of coding that the mig can or cannot stall, when the engine overruns or not (and this is a one engine tube vith a delta wing). The tomcat has variable geometry and double the engine :) "Accurately reconstructed systems and avionics" no word to describe the ASP for example how much inaccuratelly reconstructed, wich is a post war technology analogue computer. I am not familiar with the tomcats system but what I am sure is that it is far more comlicated than a mig ASP. It is obvious that whatever LN comes up with as "tomcat" it will be acepted a lot easier than the mig as practically nobody knows what a real tomcat is. The mig was a hard choice because this bird is something generations of aviation professionals and enthusiasts grew up with, and many know what a real mig is. I wont buy it, no matter how much I want it because if a plane I know is that far from the real one what will be be with a plane I have no idea about? I could be sold a tie fighter as an f-14 believing that I sit in a real one. Not to mention that I have a bad feeling that this products were never ment to be finished at all, it will be sold as beta something again and stays as beta until an other sexy beta plane comes about and will be forgotten... capitalism :( Just lamenting.... 3
cichlidfan Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 It is obvious that whatever LN comes up with as "tomcat" it will be acepted a lot easier than the mig as practically nobody knows what a real tomcat is. The mig was a hard choice because this bird is something generations of aviation professionals and enthusiasts grew up with, and many know what a real mig is. Is there some sort of study to support this rather odd statement? ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup:
sissypilot Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 Is there some sort of study to support this rather odd statement? What is so odd about it? Some 11000 units were built. Do you think they flew themselves and fixed themselves? :) An aviation wing in russian system is some 40 planes and 600 people do the math thats 165000 people wordwilde who had something to do directly with this plane plus those who indirectly did something (manufacturing, deeper maintenance etc) could be another couple of hundred thousand. Thats a whole lot of people. In the part of the world where I live Mig-21 was the basic type of aircraft all aviation technicians and engineers were educated for. How many with a tomcat? 712 units all together which maxes around 30 000 people max. Whatever you come up with as "tomcat" there will be no annoying smarta...ses like me saying hey this is not a real one! :)
Cobra847 Posted March 12, 2015 Author Posted March 12, 2015 (edited) It seems that an active mig-21 pilot cannot decide after month of coding that the mig can or cannot stall, when the engine overruns or not (and this is a one engine tube vith a delta wing). The tomcat has variable geometry and double the engine :) It's called iteration and refinement. Sorry you're unhappy with more accuracy in the control and flight envelopes. And no -- our lead programmer and active duty MiG-21 pilot knows absolutely nothing of the aircraft. Not to mention that I have a bad feeling that this products were never ment to be finished at all, it will be sold as beta something again and stays as beta until an other sexy beta plane comes about and will be forgotten... capitalism :( Team Leatherneck: Money-Grubbing, Capitalistic, Incompetent. Whatever you come up with as "tomcat" there will be no annoying smarta...ses like me saying hey this is not a real one! :) Looking forward to you arguing it's terrible regardless of what we release. Should be great fun. This thread is being derailed (and I'm partly responsible). Keep it on-topic; you are very free to lament in the MiG-21 section. Edited March 12, 2015 by Cobra847 Nicholas Dackard Founder & Lead Artist Heatblur Simulations https://www.facebook.com/heatblur/
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kontiuka Posted March 12, 2015 Posted March 12, 2015 I cant wait to fly her, of course I call dibs on this paint schemeThe guy on the box seems a little too happy that he just ejected from a $50 million plane.
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