invincible MiG-15

[SilentGun]

The MiG-15Bis has always been hard to shoot down but after this recent patch its much harder to shoot down. I was flying with some of my buddy's in the 39th and we attempted to shoot down 2 Mig's and just ended up wasting all our bullets. Watching the tac view we did hit the mig's with over 100 bullets each. Ive tested shooting down the MiG with the A-10 and it took over 50 rounds to finally down it.

 

Has anyone else experienced this change in Mig's "Armor"?

[Invisibull]

This guy didn't even have the good form to at least start smoking for me. I hope this is fixed quickly. It's taking the fun out of MiG hunting.

 

[Zeke]

I think the MiG AI damage model really needs to be fixed or updated to some kind of realistic standard. It just takes way to much ammo to kill these things. In fact unless you shoot their wings off they just don't die.

[dooom]

At what range are the sabre guns harmonized?

 

I seem to kill migs easy enough some times and other times they soak it up - I am presuming this is an issue of harmonized impact of shells ... Anyone know about the sabre?

[Invisibull]

I don't believe harmonization has anything to do with this issue. Before this last patch, the MiGs died after a good second long rip as long as you were within 1500 or so feet. In the above Tacview log, I was less than 500 feet from the MiG, and absolutely hosing him with no effect. That simply wouldn't have happened last week before this last patch. We have been flying together most nights for months so we have a pretty good idea what it has taken in the past to knock down a MiG. It's broken right now and we'd like it fixed asap.

[bmezz]

I am also having the same problem. I really enjoy flying the F86--but its near useless now in a dogfight because the Migs can't be shot down.

[1.JaVA_Platypus]

Recorded in 1.5.3 I was a bit wastefull with the ammo, but I wanted to make a demonstration video to show that it is not hard to dogfight with the Sabre. This is the standard intercerpt mission with a MiG-15 instead of the AN-30. I think the Sabre has ammo enough for three or so MiG-15's if you really want.

 

But after the F-86 Sabre, the .50 machine gun was never used as armament on frontline fighters ever again. That should say something.

 

Even tough it reportidly killed NAZI tiger tanks in WWII :music_whistling:

 

[Exorcet]

From what I can gather, aiming for wingroot is the only reliable way to kill a MiG15. Hitting the fuselage is pointless unless it's the cockpit.

[1.JaVA_Platypus]

There is something in the wings that will make them come-off easily. Also, try to lead the MiG with your pipper a bit. And let him fly as slowly as possible through your stream of bullets.

[zerO_crash]

Platypus, how do you get these winter ground textures? They don`t look like the standard ones...

 

-=zerO=-

[1.JaVA_Platypus]

Platypus, how do you get these winter ground textures? They don`t look like the standard ones...

 

-=zerO=-

 

I use Barthek's ground-texture mod. They are very good textures! You can get them here!!! Currently, you need to install version 4 first and version 5 on top of that. All will be explained here:

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=132444

 

:thumbup:

[zerO_crash]

I use Barthek's ground-texture mod. They are very good textures! You can get them here!!! Currently, you need to install version 4 first and version 5 on top of that. All will be explained here:

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=132444

 

:thumbup:

 

Right, thought they maybe updated the original one. Well well, thx anyways :thumbup:

 

-=zerO=-

[Reflected]

It's funny how MIG-15s fly on like this. What's more, they just speed away from me:

 

 

Black smoke + fluid leak. Last time I saw planes regularly fly on with this kind of damage was in Aces Over Europe :(

[1.JaVA_Platypus]

It is true that damage model is not nearly the same level as the old Il-2 for instance. This goes for the Sabre as well. It might be a problem with DCS itself, not only with one or two modules. I always think that the game generates a few effects to simulate some damage where there is actually none. Maybe? Who can tell?

 

Makes me a bit worried about the whole WWII add-ons wich are planned.

[71st_AH Rob]

It's funny how MIG-15s fly on like this. What's more, they just speed away from me:

 

 

Black smoke + fluid leak. Last time I saw planes regularly fly on with this kind of damage was in Aces Over Europe :(

 

I know where that image was taken, I even know which aircraft that is.

 

Engine fires and damage to the Mig seem to be an issue. Engine fires never seem to end in catastrophic failure, just lots of smoke. The Sabre on the other hand will usually explode shortly after this much damage. Some will argue that it is the result of the 23mm and especially the 37mm round, however set up two sides with Sabers and the .50 cal does cause catastrophic engine failure in another Sabre the same as the cannon round does so I believe it is an issue specific to the Mig. You can certainly shoot down a F-15 with the Sabre easily enough...

[Talisman_VR]

I know where that image was taken, I even know which aircraft that is.

 

Engine fires and damage to the Mig seem to be an issue. Engine fires never seem to end in catastrophic failure, just lots of smoke. The Sabre on the other hand will usually explode shortly after this much damage. Some will argue that it is the result of the 23mm and especially the 37mm round, however set up two sides with Sabers and the .50 cal does cause catastrophic engine failure in another Sabre the same as the cannon round does so I believe it is an issue specific to the Mig. You can certainly shoot down a F-15 with the Sabre easily enough...

 

Perhaps the Mig engine fire suppression system, once operated, allows for some continued flying time. Not sure if that is what we are seeing or not, but just a thought.

 

Happy landings,

 

Talisman

[71st_AH Rob]

That's possible but I think most players don't operate it in the middle of a dogfight and I would expect that it would stop smoking once the fire was out but it smokes until the engine stops.

 

Conversely, with the Sabre, you get visible flame, lots of smoke followed shortly by a catastrophic explosion and the fire detection system never indicates a fire.

 

I'm fact, I can't remember the fire warning light ever illuminating on the Mig either.

 

The only flame I've ever seen on the Mig is when the wing comes off with an explosion and I can't think of any reason why that would happen, there is nothing in the wing root that would explode and cause the wing to come off, all the ammunition is stored in the lower forward fuselage, the fuel is ahead of the combustion chamber or both sides of the tail pipe in the rear fuselage.

 

I think I need to do some experiments with the fire warning and suppression system in the Mig this evening

[ThorBrasil]

Recorded in 1.5.3 I was a bit wastefull with the ammo, but I wanted to make a demonstration video to show that it is not hard to dogfight with the Sabre. This is the standard intercerpt mission with a MiG-15 instead of the AN-30. I think the Sabre has ammo enough for three or so MiG-15's if you really want.

 

But after the F-86 Sabre, the .50 machine gun was never used as armament on frontline fighters ever again. That should say something.

 

Even tough it reportidly killed NAZI tiger tanks in WWII :music_whistling:

 

 

Place 1x1. With the utmost difficulty. Sabre vs MiG-15 AI.

[Zulu]

Well I just made a quick mission in the editor where a flight of Sabres comes across 8 migs trying to take off.

 

Only by using bombs where we able to get the Migs to be completely destroyed. Rockets tore their wings and bodies to shreds but the were still 'alive' on the ground. Guns just set them on fire a bit.

 

So there is clearly a problem then. Getting a direct hit by a salvo of rockets should utterly destroy any aircraft...not the Mig 15 though.

[1.JaVA_Platypus]

Well I just made a quick mission in the editor where a flight of Sabres comes across 8 migs trying to take off.

 

Only by using bombs where we able to get the Migs to be completely destroyed. Rockets tore their wings and bodies to shreds but the were still 'alive' on the ground. Guns just set them on fire a bit.

 

So there is clearly a problem then. Getting a direct hit by a salvo of rockets should utterly destroy any aircraft...not the Mig 15 though.

 

Repeat the same, only now the ground target is the F-86.

[Zulu]

Repeat the same, only now the ground target is the F-86.

 

Ah I see, never mind then.

[Reflected]

When THIS decides to speed away from you...

 

[71st_AH Rob]

Yes, if that had been a Sabre, it would have exploded shortly after that shot was taken

[Reflected]

Another beauty that kept fighting and chasing me like this:

 

[gavagai]

Reflected,

 

In DCS the AI aircraft's performance is either 100% or 0%. There is no in-between.

 

The only way around it is to fly with other humans.