DCS: F-5E!

[mattebubben]

If anyone can point to the docs on how the mavs work on F-5 with APQ-151 1 or 2, than it is a matter of discussion. Currently there is 0 info on it's operation.

 

The radar Display the APQ-159-1 and 159-2 used had a television mode.

 

When armed with an AGM-65 Maverick the missile would transfer the feed from the missile seeker to the "radar" display when the Television mode was selected.

 

Then then it could be boresighted to a target and launched using the missiles own seeker to find the target and since the missile seeker did all the work it was fire and forget.

 

This is the way all of the Optical/IR variants of AGM-65s where used before targeting pods arrived.

 

(Airplanes with an Air-Ground Radar Mode could use that to find targets for the Seeker head to lock onto but the seeker could/would still display the picture to allow the pilot to ID the targets in a way radar could not)

 

The procedure varied slightly depending on the variant since the later variants had better Zoom field of view and some also had the abillity to slew the seeker head to allow for a much easier time finding targets.

 

The First AGM-65 variant the AGM-65A for exampel only had a 5 degree visibillity cone in front of the missile as such it only see / lock on targets in a very small area wich made looking for targets with it alone less effective then with laters models still forcing you to use the Mk-1 Eyeball to some extent when looking for targets when looking around .

 

The Next Variant the AGM-65B had a zoom function though giving it better effective range since you could spot and lock onto a target at much longer ranges

(also allowed pilots a much better picture at long ranges then with the Mk-1 eyeball)

 

Il see if i can find any Documents on it.

 

Do they need to be Documents like from a Manual.

 

Or just A mention of how it worked?.

Edited November 8, 2015 by mattebubben

[cofcorpse]

The radar Display the APQ-159-1 and 159-2 used had a television mode.

 

Unfortunately, this isn't enough. We don't know about radar indication, mavs indication

[mattebubben]

But if its the F-5E-1 or F-5E-3 Neither had maverick capable displays.

 

the F-5E-1 has the APG-159-3 (so no mav capabillity)

 

While the F-5E-3 has the older APG-153 radar

(far less effective predecessor to the APG-159)

 

And il keep looking for info on the APG-159-1 but im just ur avg guy without any first hand info / connections.

 

So there are probably other ppl that would find that info much easier (for one ppl with language knowledge of nations that has used F-5Es with the APG-159-1 / APG-159-2 Radars)

 

None of the variants used by the US as agressor aircraft had the Television mode for the Maverick.

Edited November 9, 2015 by mattebubben

[cofcorpse]

the F-5E-1 has the 1 the APG-159-3 (so no mav capabillity)

 

While the F-5E-3 has the older APG-153 radar

(far less predecessor to the APG-159)

 

Probably you are wrong. Both E-1 and E-3 used APQ-159-3

[mattebubben]

Probably you are wrong. Both E-1 and E-3 used APQ-159-3

 

 

Well i got that info from a Usaf F-5E/F Flight manual from 1978.

 

But i cant say if its wrong or not but thats what that flight manual says =P.

 

http://www.usaf-sig.org/index.php/references/downloads/category/52-f-5-tiger-ii-northrop

 

 

Im currently trying to determine wich of the F-5 users had F-5Es equipped with the APQ-159-1

 

There is no easy list =P atleast none that ive been able to find.

 

But so far ive find info that Atleast Taiwan,Morocco and Saudi Arabia Operated F-5Es with APQ-159-1 Radars.

 

Im pretty sure the Iranian F-5Es where also AGM-65 Capable.

 

The Dream would be if you could borrow some of the Saudi F-5s that are now for sale ^^

 

They are reselling the 79 F-5E/F aircraft that had the fewest flight hours out of the F-5 Fleet they retired in favor for the Eurofighter.

 

(selling them to other F-5E users interested in replacement aircraft)

 

so what do you guys say? if we pool our money we might be able to get one :pilotfly: or atleast buy a few complete user manuals:prop:

 

But when it comes down to it i dont demand a F-5E with AGM-65 capabillity =P.

 

I just prefer one that is not modeld after the US Agressor F-5Es but instead one modeld after the F-5Es of a nation that used them as front line aircraft.

 

and seeing as that Gulf map is comming alone a Saudi F-5 would be pretty good =) (or Iranian F-5)

Edited November 9, 2015 by mattebubben

[cofcorpse]

Well i got that info from a Usaf F-5E/F Flight manual from 1978.

 

This manual is a bit outdated :music_whistling: We have Auto-flaps system in our F-5E

[ThorBrasil]

Too bad not having air refueling and ILS. I'm disappointed. I do not even know if I will buy it.

US used aircraft with APQ-159 radar, autoflaps, no air refueling, no ILS, no Mavs.

[fixen]

Too bad not having air refueling and ILS. I'm disappointed. I do not even know if I will buy it.

 

In the end we buy it all. Everyone wants the lit up icons on the main menu.

[smnwrx]

Too bad not having air refueling and ILS. I'm disappointed. I do not even know if I will buy it.

 

If you are hoping for an F-16 light then I'm sure you'd be dissapointed. in my opinion BSTs policy seems to be representing aircraft for when they played the biggest role in their respective time periods. just about all the aircraft they have developed were upgraded later in their lives.

 

Even though the Huey/ f-5 are still used today, most people associate their prime with Vietnam. I can appreciate that.

[mattebubben]

And also will it only have 2 Aim-9 ready Pylons? =(.

 

I thought the Auto Flaps are standard for all F-5E Tiger II variants =P.

 

(cant find where the manual says otherwise but then again i have not read it all)

[mattebubben]

If you are hoping for an F-16 light then I'm sure you'd be dissapointed. in my opinion BSTs policy seems to be representing aircraft for when they played the biggest role in their respective time periods. just about all the aircraft they have developed were upgraded later in their lives.

 

Even though the Huey/ f-5 are still used today, most people associate their prime with Vietnam. I can appreciate that.

 

 

Well a F-5E with APQ-159 radar is hardley Vietnam era =P.

 

Sure the F-5E did see use in vietnam (in the south Vietnamese airforce)

 

but those had the earlier APQ-153 radars.

 

Or if you want a Vietnam F-5 the F-5A or F-5C would be more proper

(A being the better choice)

[dartuil]

Only 2 AA missile too bad.

[smnwrx]

Well a F-5E with APQ-159 radar is hardley Vietnam era =P.

 

Sure the F-5E did see use in vietnam (in the south Vietnamese airforce)

 

but those had the earlier APQ-153 radars.

 

Or if you want a Vietnam F-5 the F-5A or F-5C would be more proper

(A being the better choice)

 

 

I stand corrected, I shoulda finished reading through the thread.

[Paganus]

in my opinion BSTs policy seems to be representing aircraft for when they played the biggest role in their respective time periods.

 

The F-86 model they made is Korean war era but we have sidewinders from after that war, closer to 58.

 

The UH-1H is Vietnam war era but the armament mounting we have is not typical to that time.

 

The Mi-8MTV2 is fairly current and era ubiquitous.

 

I think they are flexible where they want to be.

[King_Hrothgar]

The fact that they are talking to us now about the mavericks says a lot to that end. Clearly they were planning the downgraded US model. But if we can come up with the info for a frontline version, they may adapt it into that. In any case, I consider the F-5E a principally non-US fighter and certainly not a Vietnam bird. If there is a war that defines it, it's the 1980's Iran/Iraq war imho.

[dartuil]

The fact that they are talking to us now about the mavericks says a lot to that end. Clearly they were planning the downgraded US model. But if we can come up with the info for a frontline version, they may adapt it into that. In any case, I consider the F-5E a principally non-US fighter and certainly not a Vietnam bird. If there is a war that defines it, it's the 1980's Iran/Iraq war imho.

 

 

+1

Vietnam is for F-4.

[cofcorpse]

I thought the Auto Flaps are standard for all F-5E Tiger II variants =P.

 

In the manual you provided manuever flaps are described. They are a bit different from autoflaps. :book:

[amalahama]

Question, does APQ-159 have any sort of ground mapping mode? or A-A only?

 

Regards

[Stratos]

A-A only. I'm now searching for info about that Mav issue. Regarding refuel probe only some nations got this and very late on the airframe life. If BST adds the refueling probe what will you guys request next? Python 4 missiles?

[ec-swr]

¿Some friend in Talavera la real give us information?

 

[howie87]

The US F-5E will be a great aggressor aircraft for the NTTR.

 

In the 2009 Training and Readiness Unit Requirements Manual it says:

 

"All Weather Intercept (AWl) Stage.

 

Purpose - The AWl stage is to develop the PUI's skills in the use of the APQ-159 RADAR system to find other FW aircraft that are beyond visual range (BVR)"

 

So even as recently as that the same aircraft and radar was being used for adversary training.

 

I don't really care about firing mavericks if the real life variant of the airframe they are modeling can't.

[amalahama]

¿Some friend in Talavera la real give us information?

 

 

Spain has never had F-5Es, only B's

 

Regards!

[King_Hrothgar]

The US F-5E will be a great aggressor aircraft for the NTTR.

 

In the 2009 Training and Readiness Unit Requirements Manual it says:

 

"All Weather Intercept (AWl) Stage.

 

Purpose - The AWl stage is to develop the PUI's skills in the use of the APQ-159 RADAR system to find other FW aircraft that are beyond visual range (BVR)"

 

So even as recently as that the same aircraft and radar was being used for adversary training.

 

I don't really care about firing mavericks if the real life variant of the airframe they are modeling can't.

 

What's going on is a lot of us, myself included, are asking for a frontline version of the F-5E as used by Iran, Saudi Arabia or any of the other dozens of countries that used it instead of the downgraded US aggressor ones. Changing it from one to the other should not be difficult as they all share the same airframe, engines and vast majority of systems. It's basically just a radar display mode and a couple extra switches that the maverick capability requires. IRL that can add a lot to the price tag of a plane but in a video game, it really isn't a big deal if you can get the information on the system.

[pepin1234]

Could you please say which country have the F-5 with Mavericks? I mean the maverick upgrade avionic was extensive exported?

[cofcorpse]

instead of the downgraded US aggressor ones. It's basically just a radar display mode and a couple extra switches that the maverick capability requires.

 

We are not doing degraded US aggressor version. They even don't have guns!

But as was said earlier we don't have enough information to proper model 159-1 version of the radar. IF we manage to find something - we will model Mavericks, as far as I know.

Edited November 9, 2015 by cofcorpse