"Buddy Spike" - DCS World Online Events

[T_A]

Well I personally preferred the limited A2A weapons selection from the previous round that is not my main concern atm...

 

 

Leavu3 was recently brought to my attention, more specifically just how easily it can be abused in a MP setting.

 

 

ED seems to be sitting on their hands as far as any sort of official response... leaving individual servers to address the mod on their own. Hopefully ED steeps up and address it sooner rather than later.

 

 

I have not had the opportunity to delve into this thread to see if leavu has been addressed at this point... but I'd be interested in hearing an official statement from blueflag in respect to its use.

 

 

However, in my opinion it is far to easily abused in its current state and should not be allowed in the upcoming round.

 

C0ff from ED has already stated in a different thread that ED has become aware of the issue and will add a new option for servers to disable own ship data export (effectively disabling leavu and also any other software that uses that data

[*Rage*]

Model enlargement affects everyone.

 

Leavu is an exploit of the game code to the benefit of a few and the detriment of everyone else.

Edited May 1, 2016 by ///Rage

[rogonaut]

ill rather go and play some awesome blueflag instead of reading this...

 

its way more FUN

 

also to the guys making this campaign happen: thx allot for your effort its very much appreciated and no matter what im all in.

:thumbup:

[OldE24]

So can Buddyspike make a statement is LEAVU allowed or not because i'll use this if it is, ....CAN I PLEASE GET A YES OR NO ANSWER? Because RVE and others are useing it untill there asked not to apparently.

 

 

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2763450&postcount=164

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2760115&postcount=1282

Edited May 1, 2016 by OldE24

[gregzagk]

No we don't allow mods that can cause such kind of discussions and the feeling of a non fair play situation.

 

But as we can't remove it now, we see what ed will do with the IC thing.

 

We are not getting support from ED in any way, so we just use what the Sim provide us now. We rather focus on improving our features to start the round rather than getting into balance discussions which we think we handle fair enough since our first events.

 

We can't and don't want to satisfy always everyone.

 

Greg

[kobeshow]

Hi Greg,

thank you for that clear statement.

In regards to balance I understand that you don't like people complaining about ideas that you think are a nice twist on the mission, and I wouldn't like it either. To prevent something like that maybe you could just post a quick statement about what your thoughts were when you implemented a certain balance. I think if people for example read something like "in this round redfor has to make due with outdated aircraft against a better equipped bluefor" then the acceptance would be much higher, general thoughts and statements like this could of course be put in the opening post for the new round, which ideally would be up by the time the testing phase begins, so people can have a streamlined discussion, unlike now where we discuss 5 different issues across 2 threads (;

 

These are just my thoughts in general on the way the testing phase has gone, and in no way am I complaining about anything to you guys, you are doing a great job and have created something that makes DCS worth playing, which is no exaggeration, I stopped playing this game for a year and came back just because of blueflag, so THANK YOU (: !

Edited May 1, 2016 by kobeshow

[Jugdriver]

Hi Greg, what people are looking for is a definitive statement that LEAVU and SA enhancement mods like it and armament mods are strictly forbidden. I know you just said it and Xcom said it as well, but it is not on the Buddy Spike Blue Flag page and it is not in the SOP yet, or on the Blue Flag 6 announcement post.

 

Please understand this is not a complaint but an observation born of well over a decade of campaigning in various sims, if you don’t spell it out completely and definitively casual mod users will claim ignorance and use these mods. I know that there is nothing at the moment you can do to enforce it thru the server but by making it abundantly clear that mods are not allowed and considered cheating you will then force people who use them to either participate fairly or cheat since you make it very clear that according to you guys, the producers of Blue Flag, using these mods is considered cheating. Again I know that you can’t enforce it at the moment and that some folks will cheat, but they will also have to face that fact and it will keep at least some people from using them.

 

To echo other folks you are doing a kick a$$ job and Blue Flag is a blast! Thank you!

 

JD

AKA_MattE

Edited May 1, 2016 by Jugdriver

[Frostie]

We rather focus on improving our features to start the round rather than getting into balance discussions which we think we handle fair enough since our first events.

 

We can't and don't want to satisfy always everyone.

 

Greg

 

You guys do a great job of setting the stage, shaking things up a bit every round is a good thing and rightly so you shouldn't bend over backwards to suit a few peoples complaints, though ideas and suggestions i'm sure are more than welcome.

 

From the start of BF some squads have split sides without issue due to Flanker and F-15 being on opposite sides so it shouldn't be a surprise at all in future rounds.

 

The talk of balance and favouring Blue side is utter nonsense I don't understand why some feel they need to complain on such matters, they should know what BF is all about and that winning the battle is not measured on aircrafts and weapons but by teamwork and participation.

 

Let's hope for another fantastic round, a thousand thanks for all the hard work.

[*Rage*]

Absolutely. Its great that the BS team can mix things up with every round.

[sirscorpion]

Model enlargement affects everyone.

 

Leavu is an exploit of the game code to the benefit of a few and the detriment of everyone else.

 

Some people i know do not have Track IR, Should that be banned as well?

[FLANKERATOR]

Track IR, joystick, MFDs..etc can not be used to cheat, LEAVU can so this comparison is kind of lame.

[sirscorpion]

Track IR, joystick, MFDs..etc can not be used to cheat, LEAVU can so this comparison is kind of lame.

 

Explain to me cheat? how does LEAVU cheat in Blue flag. All data is from your own aircraft And other aircraft from your data link.

[FLANKERATOR]

Leavu just like Tacview is heavily based on export lua (server-side for the latter but client-side for Leavu) so this potentially dangerous if manipulated as one can use that feature to import live data not supposed to be accessed in the first place (enemy position for example).

[*Rage*]

Some people i know do not have Track IR, Should that be banned as well?

 

Yes it should if the server owner wanted to run a server for people without it.

 

If I set up a dogfight server just for people wihout trackir and flying with keyboards than you would be a dick for flying on it with a full hotas, trackir and surround screen set up.

 

Unless im mistaken the BS guys have said mods such as LEAVU are unwelcome. Do you use LEAVU on it?

[Beeroshima]

So, third party programs that facilitate communication between clients are cheating because not everyone chooses to use them. Are all of you guys uninstalling teamspeak right now?

 

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[Beeroshima]

Maybe I'm mistaken, im relatively new to the discussion. Is leavu able to be manipulated so that it reveals what the aircraft hasn't detected? I mean, if it shows where stuff is without anyone detecting it, that's of course cheating but im not a programmer so I dont know if that is achieved or not.

 

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[Beeroshima]

I use helios and additional monitors with touchscreen capability. Am I cheating? I'll stop if so. ;)

 

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[*Rage*]

As c0ff suggested, issue should be resolved by allowing server side control on local export.lua ownership.

 

Until ED releases this tool, there is not much the BuddySpike team can do to enforce it, but monitoring on who uses it is probably an option.

This is the only MOD (that is known) to be using this "hack-able" feature of DCS and therefore there should not be many people using it yet.

 

A kind reminder, we do have the option to ban players indefinitely, if anyone is cought using MODs which are so called "cheating" we will ban and that player will not be able to enter any future BuddySpike event.

 

Let's have fun flying Blue Flag and killing each other :)

 

No we don't allow mods that can cause such kind of discussions and the feeling of a non fair play situation.

 

 

Greg

 

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[Beeroshima]

Oh...what if I feel like teamspeak is cheating since everyone doesn't use it?

 

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[Beeroshima]

Im all for stopping cheating, id just like there to be an informed, educated discussion on if leavu is in fact cheating before it's banned because uninformed fools don't understand it. Let's not forget, someone thinks "Aim120c's are cheating because f15's never had them, only f22's had them and f22's aren't in dcs" those are the same uninformed minds calling it unfair.

 

if leavu allows cheating, I assure you, I want it banned as much as anyone. I despise unfair play. But I feel like a lot of people are doomsaying it and have no idea how it even works, much less if its cheating or not.

 

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Edited May 1, 2016 by Beeroshima

[Beeroshima]

Maybe that discussion happened somewhere and I missed it. If so, I'll gladly read it and stop my end of the discussion, but I don't think asking everyone to make an informed decision in lieu of banning a really enjoyable tool because "zomg hax" is unreasonable, is it?

 

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[sirscorpion]

Leavu just like Tacview is heavily based on export lua (server-side for the latter but client-side for Leavu) so this potentially dangerous if manipulated as one can use that feature to import live data not supposed to be accessed in the first place (enemy position for example).

 

I am not technically sure about this one, But from what i understand is that its a program that uses your OWN aircraft data, its client side hence why server admins cant turn it off "same way tacview data can be turned off". Tacview uses server information and not client information, TacView can show you data from every one in the server, Leavu can only show you info from ur own team who is connected.

 

The program as it stands uses information from the user, and links it with other users on your same net work. Did you even try the program? every opposition to this program sounds like a witch hunt.

 

If the program right now operates as is a Link16 "a gimped one" in the f15c how is it a cheat. really point out the unfair advantage that a program like this provides when comparing it to other tools like track IR, Or sticks?

 

Not ifs, and maybe and hypothesis, just some facts.

Edited May 1, 2016 by sirscorpion

[T_A]

You get to see contacts that your are not suppose to , that is pretty much it.

 

anyway this discussion is moot , its been declared by the server owners that they do not allow such mods, shouldn't matter whether they can detect it or no - its respecting their wishes.

[sirscorpion]

Yes it should if the server owner wanted to run a server for people without it.

 

If I set up a dogfight server just for people wihout trackir and flying with keyboards than you would be a dick for flying on it with a full hotas, trackir and surround screen set up.

 

Unless im mistaken the BS guys have said mods such as LEAVU are unwelcome. Do you use LEAVU on it?

 

They said they do not allow mods that hurt the feelings of some people, and they said they do not allow cheating.

 

I am with them 100% on the cheating part, and the hurt feelings now are simply ignorance of what cheating is or not.

 

Now if you can prove that this system is "cheating" or the BS guys say this system is cheating and why. then thats another subject.

 

I will always follow the server owners rules, does not mean i cant argue it or say people feelings should not matter in MIL sim game play, when a tool that provides realistic capability and higher fidelity makes a few arcade players feelings hurt.

[sirscorpion]

You get to see contacts that your are not suppose to , that is pretty much it.

 

anyway this discussion is moot , its been declared by the server owners that they do not allow such mods, shouldn't matter whether they can detect it or no - its respecting their wishes.

 

where did that info come from? source?