Question for ED

DAZnBLAST · September 17, 2015

Is there any 'realistic' chance of implementing the Harrier GR9 / AV8B into DCS W? I've said in the RAZBAM forum, this airframe would smash this sim apart in terms of available operation types on the battlefield, even without naval ops. Naval ops too would be another level completely, this airframe is capable of both, and more because of it's VSTOL capability.

Please don't point me back to RAZBAM, RAZBAM are not serious about this aircraft, their sub forum lists T2 and Mirage, not harrier, that spells out their intent or lack of. In fact do RAZBAM have any aircraft at all in this game?

Silver_Dragon · September 17, 2015

The harrier has under the plans of RAZBAM, and that take time, and require "patience" to the community to show some progress about that module.

Another 3rd party can make a harrier without problem if that enter into your plans. Please don't make "despective" worlds about a 3rd party plans. Making a module on DCS World has a big work and take a long time.

If RAZBAM has not a sub-forum section about the harrier, that is not a problem, others 3rd parties has working on modules without a forum section and they don't put a "official stament" about your progress, some examples has BSK with F-5E, AH-1 or ED with P-39 or the Spitfire Mk IX and a long etc.

Chrinik · September 17, 2015

Is there any 'realistic' chance of implementing the Harrier GR9 / AV8B into DCS W? I've said in the RAZBAM forum, this airframe would smash this sim apart in terms of available operation types on the battlefield, even without naval ops. Naval ops too would be another level completely, this airframe is capable of both, and more because of it's VSTOL capability.

Please don't point me back to RAZBAM, RAZBAM are not serious about this aircraft, their sub forum lists T2 and Mirage, not harrier, that spells out their intent or lack of. In fact do RAZBAM have any aircraft at all in this game?

RAZBAM are new in DCS and a relatively established dev in FSX, the Mirage 2000 C looks to be close to release so why the salt?

Also, making a Harrier is harder then you think...if you wanna do it right, you need licencing approval from the actual makers, lest you be sued into oblivion. Making something that looks like a Harrier and kinda flies like one is easy, but the systems that are critical to DCS, RADAR, weapons and the like, are an entirely different ballgame. See RAZBAMs harrier in FSX

Eventually, you will get a Harrier, but stop demanding it like you are entitled to it.

TomCatMucDe · September 17, 2015

RAZBAM are new in DCS and a relatively established dev in FSX, the Mirage 2000 C looks to be close to release so why the salt?

Also, making a Harrier is harder then you think...if you wanna do it right, you need licencing approval from the actual makers, lest you be sued into oblivion. Making something that looks like a Harrier and kinda flies like one is easy, but the systems that are critical to DCS, RADAR, weapons and the like, are an entirely different ballgame. See RAZBAMs harrier in FSX

Eventually, you will get a Harrier, but stop demanding it like you are entitled to it.

+1

VincentLaw · September 17, 2015

Please don't point me back to RAZBAM, RAZBAM are not serious about this aircraft, their sub forum lists T2 and Mirage, not harrier, that spells out their intent or lack of.

Based on how long ED normally keeps modern aircraft in the oven before releasing them, you would need to wait a few years from now if they decided to work on a Harrier. You may have also noticed that ED doesn't have a forum section on their WIP F/A-18C. I guess according to you they must not be serious about the Hornet.

You can expect the first Harrier in DCS to come from RAZBAM or VEAO unless Leatherneck has one hidden up their sleeve.

NeilWillis · September 17, 2015

/sarcasm on/

I'm sure listening to your rant, ED will immediately drop everything and start work on a Harrier right away.

Excellent post - I wish we all had your balls!!!

/sarcasm off/

On the other hand, maybe you ought to think a little more carefully about your attitude towards RAZBAM. No announcement doesn't mean no activity - mainly due to people with this exact kind of attitude!

BIGNEWY · September 17, 2015

These things take time Daz,

RAZBAM have been very busy and making great progress, the screenshots of the mirage is proof alone of that, it is just a matter of patience. I would love to to see the harrier as well, but we have to accept that these aircraft take a lot of time to produce.

lets try not to escalate this thread with feelings of frustration

Buzzles · September 17, 2015

Don't forget VEAO have plans for a Harrier as well, not the GR9 / AV8B but the FAA Hawker Siddley FAS1 Sea Harrier.

TomCatMucDe · September 17, 2015

RAZBAM and Leatherneck have been excellent and none of them deserves such posts. They are the best third parties in DCS. By a long mile

DAZnBLAST · September 18, 2015

Hold on everyone, not so quick to your guns!

First paragraph was a straight question to ED, any realistic chance of getting Harrier, would ED be interested in the inclusion of Harrier?

Second paragraph was one of fact. I don't see a RAZBAM aircraft in this game, it really is as simple as that.

To answer someone's question, it seems like ED are serious about F18 Hornet, BUT it was announced before some of the newer aircraft buyable in the game today! Fact?!

BIGNEWY · September 18, 2015

I think there is every chance of getting a harrier in DCS, asking ED to comment officially one way or another is unlikely to happen.

DAZnBLAST · September 18, 2015

Cheers BIGNEWY, yeah, guess you're right. May as well close the thread.

NeilWillis · September 18, 2015

Hold on everyone, not so quick to your guns!

Second paragraph was one of fact. I don't see a RAZBAM aircraft in this game, it really is as simple as that.

And the portion of the same paragraph in which you state that RAZBAM are not serious?

On what do you base that assertion? That it has been a long time since they announced their intentions, and the results? It is no secret that they have produced lots of stuff for FSX, and that they are a serious player in the simming community. Why do you draw the conclusion that they are not serious? Isn't it more likely to be a question of priorities, or simply that developing the ground work for a DCS module takes rather longer than they perhaps anticipated?

So I ask you to either back up your assertion with some evidence, or perhaps withdraw the remark? It certainly wasn't fact, and it is based upon what exactly? Have you not been following the Mirage threads lately?

I, and I am sure, many other people who frequent this forum are sick to death with these spurious, unsubstantiated comments. They add nothing, but they do p!ss off the developers, and affect how they communicate with this community.

Bottom line...

Stick to facts, and remember that assume makes an ass out of u and me

Also, you have totally overlooked the VEAO project - they have a Sea Harrier pencilled in for the future. Maybe that will be the first V/STOL airframe we see? Or aren't they serious in your eyes either?

Silver_Dragon · September 18, 2015

Hold on everyone, not so quick to your guns!

Second paragraph was one of fact. I don't see a RAZBAM aircraft in this game, it really is as simple as that.

To answer someone's question, it seems like ED are serious about F18 Hornet, BUT it was announced before some of the newer aircraft buyable in the game today! Fact?!

Here are your "FACTs" (russian section):

http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/ru/shop/modules/mirage2000c/

Othet Eagle Dynamis "Facts" M2000C on NTTR:

https://www.facebook.com/eagle.dynamics/posts/10156111836805341

Edit: English purchase section: http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/shop/modules/mirage2000c/

Edited September 18, 2015 by Silver_Dragon

Red Dragon-DK · September 18, 2015

Its also up on the English section now.

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/shop/modules/

DAZnBLAST · September 18, 2015

Neil Willis. Fact is, this ain't FSX, this is DCS. I draw my conclusion on RAZBAM not being serious about Harrier. Read boy, read.

Silver_Dragon Still no RAZBAM aircraft in DCS, it's a pre-purchase. It's also not Harrier, which was announced before Mirage. Again, read boy.

Congratulations to RAZBAM, when Mirage is in DCS.

Silver_Dragon · September 18, 2015

Silver_Dragon Still no RAZBAM aircraft in DCS, it's a pre-purchase. It's also not Harrier, which was announced before Mirage. Again, read boy.

You posted

Second paragraph was one of fact. I don't see a RAZBAM aircraft in this game, it really is as simple as that.

The RAZBAM mirage 2000C has "ACTUALY" in the game (On hand of RAZBAM 3rd Party and Eagle Dynamics and Offitialy Beta Testers), but ARE in DCS: World.

Edit: and surely on hands of external 3rd party members.

Edited September 18, 2015 by Silver_Dragon

DAZnBLAST · September 18, 2015

Here's an answer which will confuse the .... out you. When I posted what I posted, it was fact. Still is technically, given you cannot play a RAZBAM aircraft in DCS today. Does that make sense?

Silver_Dragon · September 18, 2015

A easy question, How can make Glowing "Cato" the M2000C teaser video if the Mirage 2000C has no"into" the game if there has no part of RAZBAM develop team (and other 3rd parties / BSK or ED? How can take the appropriate film records to make your teaser and release videos if them has no a proper add-on to record the proper video streams?

DAZnBLAST · September 18, 2015

Can you post one of your videos (as a consumer) in the M2000C please. How are you finding it, is it good?

Silver_Dragon · September 18, 2015

DAZnBLAST, you attack a 3rd party witout a "fact". If you expected a public disclaimer from RAZBAM over not put news about a harrier develop. you are alone with them, period.

Cantiga · September 18, 2015

So let's put this thread on hold until December, okay?

DAZnBLAST · September 18, 2015

Wrong again. I attacked over Harrier, nothing more, nothing less. Then I said, do RAZBAM have any aircraft in this sim. They don't and still don't because none of us consumers can fly a RAZBAM aircraft yet.

Remember, we don't have 1.5 EDGE with M2000C, that is a different product to what we have today.

NineLine · September 18, 2015

Ok, this thread isnt doing anyone any good, when a aircraft is about to be released there will be press release. Until then, its just development plans. So enjoy what we have, and look forward to what could be coming.