grunf Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 I guess you've all been in this situation: the combat is over, you have a long way back home, but you have one extra missile on your wing (or you're missing one, depending on how you look at things :)). So what do you do? Do you dump the extra missile :D, do you use autopilot or do you wrestle with the stick all the way back?
Derbysieger Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 I just use rudder and stick to keep it straight. No reason to jettison perfectly good missiles - plus, the effect isn't even that bad. CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D | Mobo: ASRock X870E Taichi Lite | RAM: 96GB DDR5-6000 CL30 | GPU: ASUS RTX5090 32GB ROG Astral | SSDs: 3xSamsung 990 Pro 4TB M.2 Peripherals: Warthog HOTAS | Virpil MongoosT-50CM3 Base | TrackIR 5 | MFG Crosswinds | 3xTM Cougar MFDs | HP Reverb G2
Demon_ Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 (edited) Rtb? Jettison the useless stuff. Your probably bingo fuel. Reduce the drag. Fight against the enemy, not your aircraft. Edited September 25, 2015 by Demon_ Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche.
FeistyLemur Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 Would be interesting to know what a real military pilot would do in that situation. I'm guessing an R3R or an R3S were not that expensive in comparison to modern missiles. Dropping a 1 million dollar missile probably would not be so good. Also dropping something full of tnt in the middle of the countryside for convenience might not be so good.
grunf Posted September 25, 2015 Author Posted September 25, 2015 Also dropping something full of tnt in the middle of the countryside for convenience might not be so good. Probably not. :D
xaoslaad Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 I just use rudder and stick to keep it straight. No reason to jettison perfectly good missiles - plus, the effect isn't even that bad. That depends. R-60 not so much, Kh-66 on the other hand...
Bidartarra Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 In Soviet Russia you don't drop missiles (missiles drop you, possibly) . In operation where logistic can be a pain, I guess pilots were expected to deal with that load to use the weapons another day.
Frisco1522 Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 Would be interesting to know what a real military pilot would do in that situation. Gee, if only Leatherneck had someone on their team **cough Novak cough** who would have experience flying a Mig-21. Then we could know for sure! :smilewink: Frisco1522
FeistyLemur Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 (edited) You know though, most of the dogfight documentary movies I've watched say early missiles were so unreliable they fired every missile they had just trying to hit something and then went home often. Shooting down 6 planes on a sortie wasn't exactly a regular occurrence by the look of it or something that probably even happened. The entire air kill tally for the Vietnam war is quite small. Edited September 25, 2015 by FeistyLemur
PiedDroit Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 Or maybe they doubled every shot? You know, reliability..
Sleksa Posted September 25, 2015 Posted September 25, 2015 Would be interesting to know what a real military pilot would do in that situation. I'm guessing an R3R or an R3S were not that expensive in comparison to modern missiles. Dropping a 1 million dollar missile probably would not be so good. Also dropping something full of tnt in the middle of the countryside for convenience might not be so good. They might not be expensive today compared to modern missiles (if any of them were still in production), however they at some point in history were new and modern, with a likely high pricetag on them.
RedShot Posted September 28, 2015 Posted September 28, 2015 I guess you've all been in this situation: the combat is over, you have a long way back home, but you have one extra missile on your wing (or you're missing one, depending on how you look at things :)). So what do you do? Do you dump the extra missile :D, do you use autopilot or do you wrestle with the stick all the way back? There is an autopilot mode called "Stabilization". If im correct, its pretty much there for this kinda situations. It will stabilise your aircraft in case of asymmetric load or other unnormal vibrations. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] http://dcsfinland.fi Suomalainen DCS Yhteisö
Paganus Posted September 28, 2015 Posted September 28, 2015 Operational limitations begins on page 31 of the manual. What to drop and when is listed there.
Hadwell Posted September 28, 2015 Posted September 28, 2015 Unless it's a grom, even a pair of R-60s on a single pylon isn't really enough weight to make flying uncomfortable, and the autopilot mode does, as redshot says, keep your wings level for you... My youtube channel Remember: the fun is in the fight, not the kill, so say NO! to the AIM-120. System specs:ROG Maximus XI Hero, Intel I9 9900K, 32GB 3200MHz ram, EVGA 1080ti FTW3, Samsung 970 EVO 1TB NVME, 27" Samsung SA350 1080p, 27" BenQ GW2765HT 1440p, ASUS ROG PG278Q 1440p G-SYNC Controls: Saitekt rudder pedals,Virpil MongoosT50 throttle, warBRD base, CM2 stick, TrackIR 5+pro clip, WMR VR headset. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
FeistyLemur Posted September 28, 2015 Posted September 28, 2015 Autopilot won't keep the wings level for me, even with it on the aircraft slowly turns to one side. The dampening mode is marginally better but you still have to hold the stick deflected to one side all the way.
OverStratos Posted September 29, 2015 Posted September 29, 2015 "Panic Button" = return to horizontal flight will do just fine. (the button with the lamp in the stick) In real life, you can´t drop the missile unless there´s an emergency situation, pilots use to support the arm in the knee if they need to maintain an asymmetric load. It´s pretty annoying. :D Cheers.
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