Opinion: Devil's Canyon or Skylake?

[Mt5_Roie]

So looking to upgrade my motherboard and processor. Right now debating between Devil's Canyon or Skylake chips. Would be the I7 version.

 

I've seen tons of data on Devil's Canyon and I know with my GeForce 980, and 16g of ram, I would be pretty well off. I would try to OC it to around 4.5 ghz to keep it stable.

 

Skylake is newer and would require different ram which I don't own already, so cost would be about 150 dollar higher. Plus it's newer as not as much data on it as I would have liked.

 

Pretty much fly mostly DCS and get around 90-120 fps right now with my i7-2600k machine. I also have been doing some FSX flying and a lot of X-plane flying. I play GTA V as well, and whatever my kids like to play on my machine as well.

 

Opinions? I'm in not rush since I think my current rig should be more then fine for 1.5 right now.

[*Rage*]

So why upgrade? 90-120 fps is fantastic.

[Demon_]

Upgrading only one or two components of the trio mobo/cpu/ram is rarely worth the money.

[Mt5_Roie]

Upgrading only one or two components of the trio mobo/cpu/ram is rarely worth the money.

 

Well I plan on at least upgrading the motherboard and CPU...Ram I have for the Devil's Canyon but would have to buy new for Skylake...

 

As for why, well I figure I do a major upgrade every 3-4 years so I was about time. I got the machine 4 years ago and the only upgrades I've done to it was SSD, Graphics card, and RAM.

[skouras]

i would say keep your money and wait for the next generation

every 6 months or so something new goes out

i say you are fine with your current system and can run everything for fun;)

you can thank me later either way you are not going to see a huge difference in games with those chips compare what you have unless you doing any video editing and stuff like that

[Demon_]

If this can help you: http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/skylake-intel-core-i7-6700k-core-i5-6600k,4252-12.html

[BitMaster]

I run about the same rig, have 4 kids each one playing their own games from minecraft ( daughters ) at 143fps steady ( LoL ) to the newest titles from my son to DCS for myself.

 

No one complains about performance issues or such, not even me, and I have a delicate taste when it comes to performance and hardware

 

I have built several gaming machines with Devil's Canyon and top notch 3d cards for customers and friends but none really convinced me to swop the 2600k against a newer one, it just aint worth it unless it comes for free and overclocks just as high.

 

SandyBridge is a true milestone CPU, I own and run also newer and older i7's, but none is that good in overclocking and heat transfer but the newest 2011v3 i7's ,but are so much more expensive and you wont get higher in cycles than with a 2x00k Sandy. The highest they get is roughly 4.8 to 5, for a ton of money later you hit the same 5GHz wall. OK, they are somewhat more efficient, but will that show in more fps and less lag, load time etc.. ?? Placebo like it sure does, haha, but joke aside, I doubt it pays back. Rather get a faster or 2nd SSD, a good UPS device to protect your hardware, etc... something that pays back ;)

 

Relax and feel happy that you own a fabulous CPU that withstands time a little bit longer until Intel really decides to release another Milestone CPU, I think the next or the one after that will be a Milestone marked release again. Usually that falls together with more speed, more new features, greater support from vendors upon release etc.. check Intel roadmap for Milestone releases, they are indicated with letters, non-milestone products have another letter marking in the listing and are somewhat lagging behind in what one would wish to get if you decide to upgrade these days.

The 3x i7 for example, what a lousy overclocker, I just type on one... good for a MacbookPro but not for a gaming rig that you OC to satisfy DCS's wish for many many cycles. Most 3x i7's dont reach anything beyond 4.4GHz without monster cooling, lots of wattage and on the edge of frying your CPU. Devil's Canyon is very very powerfull the way it is, but try to overclock it and you get to know the bitch in it, some are somewhat better to oc, the newer ones afaik are, the older ones are very bitchy.... left with the DDR4 Skylake version, totally different game, new RAM too, very expensive, especially if you want decent and fast RAM you pay a fortune for the RAM alone (!),

and none is fast in cycles, the go WIDE in cores... not what DCS really likes so I doubt it woud run bad on it, but I would almost bet that with the same 3D card I runs just as fast or even faster

without any Dollar spend ;)

 

The good thing with DCS is, it's free, so I put it on each new gaming rig I build to see how it performs, always Su-25T, always same settings etc...

pretty much tells you how DCS scales across a variety of desktops and sometimes laptops. It loves fast Intel's and GTX cards, that is a sure bet !

 

Bit

Edited September 27, 2015 by BitMaster

[SharpeXB]

I recently upgraded from an i7-3770K which was overclocked to 4.7GHz

Now that performed extremely well but it got unstable.

I was considering a i7-6700K but they weren't available and really the i7-4790K seems to actually outperform it by a little bit. Especially in single core. Or they're about equal. Sticking with the Devils Canyon let me keep my RAM so it saved a bit there. Mine is OCd to 4.7GHz and runs really nice compared to the 3770 because the cooler is much quieter. Haven't tested it yet in DCS since I'm just waiting for 1.5 to reinstall. I've seen a big boost in other games though.

As much as I read about them they're nearly equal.

Edited September 27, 2015 by SharpeXB

[unclejacko]

I run about the same rig, have 4 kids each one playing their own games from minecraft ( daughters ) at 143fps steady ( LoL ) to the newest titles from my son to DCS for myself.

 

No one complains about performance issues or such, not even me, and I have a delicate taste when it comes to performance and hardware

 

I have built several gaming machines with Devil's Canyon and top notch 3d cards for customers and friends but none really convinced me to swop the 2600k against a newer one, it just aint worth it unless it comes for free and overclocks just as high.

 

SandyBridge is a true milestone CPU, I own and run also newer and older i7's, but none is that good in overclocking and heat transfer but the newest 2011v3 i7's ,but are so much more expensive and you wont get higher in cycles than with a 2x00k Sandy. The highest they get is roughly 4.8 to 5, for a ton of money later you hit the same 5GHz wall. OK, they are somewhat more efficient, but will that show in more fps and less lag, load time etc.. ?? Placebo like it sure does, haha, but joke aside, I doubt it pays back. Rather get a faster or 2nd SSD, a good UPS device to protect your hardware, etc... something that pays back ;)

 

Relax and feel happy that you own a fabulous CPU that withstands time a little bit longer until Intel really decides to release another Milestone CPU, I think the next or the one after that will be a Milestone marked release again. Usually that falls together with more speed, more new features, greater support from vendors upon release etc.. check Intel roadmap for Milestone releases, they are indicated with letters, non-milestone products have another letter marking in the listing and are somewhat lagging behind in what one would wish to get if you decide to upgrade these days.

The 3x i7 for example, what a lousy overclocker, I just type on one... good for a MacbookPro but not for a gaming rig that you OC to satisfy DCS's wish for many many cycles. Most 3x i7's dont reach anything beyond 4.4GHz without monster cooling, lots of wattage and on the edge of frying your CPU. Devil's Canyon is very very powerfull the way it is, but try to overclock it and you get to know the bitch in it, some are somewhat better to oc, the newer ones afaik are, the older ones are very bitchy.... left with the DDR4 Skylake version, totally different game, new RAM too, very expensive, especially if you want decent and fast RAM you pay a fortune for the RAM alone (!),

and none is fast in cycles, the go WIDE in cores... not what DCS really likes so I doubt it woud run bad on it, but I would almost bet that with the same 3D card I runs just as fast or even faster

without any Dollar spend ;)

 

The good thing with DCS is, it's free, so I put it on each new gaming rig I build to see how it performs, always Su-25T, always same settings etc...

pretty much tells you how DCS scales across a variety of desktops and sometimes laptops. It loves fast Intel's and GTX cards, that is a sure bet !

 

Bit

 

Great info! I'll hold off a bit then. Appreciate all the opinions.

[BitMaster]

I think most users aren't aware of Intel's Milestone strategy, it has seldomly payed to buy inbetween those releases imho.

[shagrat]

At least wait for EDGE (DCS 1.5/2.0)and see what it does on your rig performance wise.

If you don't feel the urgent need for 4K resolution, or VR Headsets (Oculus or Vive), you should do fine with the current rig for quite a while.

...and VR Headsets will hit the market next year (may be Xmas 2015), but as the first iteration, I would have a close look and see what quirks need to be solved/optimized and what rig is required for dual fullHD or higher 3D Display.

[SharpeXB]

Here's the comparison between the two on CPU Boss. It shows them to be nearly identical in performance.

 

http://cpuboss.com/cpus/Intel-Core-i7-6700K-vs-Intel-Core-i7-4790K

Edited September 27, 2015 by SharpeXB