Manta Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 Hi folks! a few pic I'd like to share, taken by 150GCT_Fotovis (a friend of mine) during a visit to 50° Stormo in San Damiano Air Base (Piacenza - Italy) hope u like them 1 150GCT_Manta http://www.150gct.it/
Kusch Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 Great! Italian air force in Goose Bay (Canada) 1 Give me "flying telephone pole" (SA-2)!
skinns Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 Very nice indeed! cheers i enjoyed these 90 years of Excellence
Manta Posted June 5, 2006 Author Posted June 5, 2006 Excellent :worthy: 150GCT_Manta http://www.150gct.it/
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Trident Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 Cool! Any idea why Italian Tornados always seem to carry 2 chaff/flare dispenser pods and never an ECM pod?
Kusch Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 Cool! Any idea why Italian Tornados always seem to carry 2 chaff/flare dispenser pods and never an ECM pod? Italian Tornado it equipment on internal ECM EL-73. Give me "flying telephone pole" (SA-2)!
Sleek Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 Good quality pics thx for sharing ;) Be Good..Be Strong..:drink: ;)
Ghostrida9 Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 LOVELLYYY Speachless, thats more then nice, I'll luv this plane/jet/bomber til the Day I die... miss those Tornados over here RAF Gütersloh Airbase Project Now or Never
Starlight Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 Italian Tornado it equipment on internal ECM EL-73. Are you sure? I read on some websites that the EL-73 is just a RHAWS. On the book "Modern Air Combat" by Bill Gunston and Mike Spick however there's a picture of a long external jamming pod called EL-73 (carried on a wing pylon coupled with the classic BOZ pod) Do you have trusty sources to sweep away my doubts? thx in advance ;)
thesystem Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 WOW, beautifull pictures, this is the way i like it! DCS World, A10C, AV8B, M2k, FA18C, FC3, MIG21
Starlight Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 Great! Italian air force in Goose Bay (Canada) wonderful! do you have more HUD picture from Tornado? they're quite rare on the web...
Kusch Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 Do you have trusty sources to sweep away my doubts? thx in advance Jane's Aircraft upgrades: "Radar Warning Receiver (RWR) and an internal Active Electronic Countermeasures System (AECM), both provided by Italy's Elettronica, Elettronica EL-73" wonderful! do you have more HUD picture from Tornado? :no_sad: Give me "flying telephone pole" (SA-2)!
Pilotasso Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 wonderful! do you have more HUD picture from Tornado? they're quite rare on the web... Low lovel at Goose bay, may be related with the pictures on the previous page. http://www.patricksaviation.com/aviation_videos/28/TornadoGasm I uploaded this one myself, enjoy! .
Trident Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 Ah, I'd heard about an internal ECM system on the Italian Tornados before. However I remember seeing sources that claimed it got cancelled and never could imagine where they found enough room to install it (and why on earth the other countries didn't do the same with their ECM systems). Interestingly, the Tornado F.3 can be fitted with semi-internal chaff/flare-dispensers below the engine bays, if combined with an internal ECM-system (if indeed possible) that would give you two additional pylons or much reduced drag. Pretty confusing.
Starlight Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 Ah, I'd heard about an internal ECM system on the Italian Tornados before. However I remember seeing sources that claimed it got cancelled and never could imagine where they found enough room to install it (and why on earth the other countries didn't do the same with their ECM systems). Interestingly, the Tornado F.3 can be fitted with semi-internal chaff/flare-dispensers below the engine bays, if combined with an internal ECM-system (if indeed possible) that would give you two additional pylons or much reduced drag. Pretty confusing. On the book "Tornado multi role combat aircraft" by Jon Lake and Mike Crunch is written that Italy was planning an internal active ECM for ECR, but it wasn't clear if it was really implemented (the book itself was printed in year 2000.... but it's still a really great book for Tornado fans...) That internal ECM system was called in a different way, EL-553, not EL-73. The external EL-73 pictured in Gunston's book was from a early '80s photo... the EL-553 is about 20 years younger, so it makes some sense that is internal... Yet avionics and ECM are still some of the most classified compartments in aviation, one has to make a lot of assumptions and guesses... If I had this doubt before I could have asked some info to the Italian ECR pilots at Rivolto AB, on the Open Day which held in September '05. one of my pictures is attached below
Kusch Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 Elettronica SpA Rome. ELT/553(V)2, ELT/554 and ELT/558 series radar jammers Type Family of self-protection radar jamming systems. Description The ELT/55x family is a series of active self-protection equipments that are targeted against radars, continuous wave illuminators and missile radar seekers. They provide high Effective Radiated Power ( ERP), advanced multithreat engagement capability, diversified deception programmes, wide angular cover and short reaction times. They are designed to be integrated with the aircraft Electronic CounterMeasures (ECM) and weapon system or, in some cases, can be used as stand-alone equipment. They have a look-through-while-jam capability and are effective against frequency-agile sources. Known details of the identified members of the family are as follows: ELT/553(V)2 ELT/553(V)2 is described as being a second generation self-protection system that covers the E to J frequency band (2 to 20 GHz). It provides high ERP over a very large radio frequency bandwidth, an `advanced' multithreat engagement capability, diversified and easily reprogrammable deception programmes, wide angular coverage and fast reaction. It is intended for internal installation in combat aircraft and helicopters and features low weight and reduced volume. The system can be employed as a stand-alone equipment or can be integrated with radar warning/electronic support equipments, such as the ELT/156X threat warner. http://www.elt-roma.com/en/products/sys_ecm.html http://www.elt-roma.com/en/programmes/tornado.html Give me "flying telephone pole" (SA-2)!
Trident Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 The thing is, there don't seem to be any additional antennea on Italian Tornados. Since they are flying around without ECM pods it is very probable that they do have internal ECM now, but where??
Starlight Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 The thing is, there don't seem to be any additional antennea on Italian Tornados. Since they are flying around without ECM pods it is very probable that they do have internal ECM now, but where?? maybe flooded antennas on wings and fuselage. BTW, I think we're not talking about powerful jammers (usually labelled "active") like ALQ-99, it's more likely they're defensive (aka "deceptive") jammers used for self defence. I also read on that Tornado book that ECR have not full 360 degrees coverage for threat response, they can deal with radars just from the front emisphere (the F-4G instead did have 360 degrees coverage)
britgliderpilot Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 That video is awesome. Mega-bonus-points to the person who finds and hosts the video of the RAF Tornadoes training prior to the Gulf War - have seen a clip in which a pair are flying down a canyon and a very British voice suddenly says, calm as you like "Oh bugger, we should have taken the last left back there . . . . . " http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/britgliderpilot/BS2Britgliderpilot-1.jpg
Mustang Posted June 5, 2006 Posted June 5, 2006 very nice pictures, thank you for sharing them :) theres something about the Tornado :)
Dondy Posted June 6, 2006 Posted June 6, 2006 one of my pictures is attached below (warning: 600+ KB) Do you also have a picture of ther German Tornado in the back? :)
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