Bf 109 K-4 vs Fw 190 D-9

[Krupi]

Hey chaps, I am intrigued by what the general consensus is now that the 109 and 190 have been out for a while.

 

I haven't had enough time in the 109 yet however from the little time I have had it certainly feels a lot more potent mainly due to the maneuverability and that insane cannon! However I feel much safer in the 190, it takes much more punishment and the extra ammo and fuel allows me to stay in the zone much longer (I really need to work on my aim though).

 

So do you prefer the 109 or 190?

 

P S. I don't want this to be a 'goad' thread so please give a good reason why which is your go to ride :)

[rrohde]

I find myself flying the 109 quite a bit more than the 190. To paraphrase Adolf Galland: The 109 "fits like a glove". :)

[Ala13_ManOWar]

Personally I think with the actual planeset both are winners in the usual dogfights and conditions. 190 has more endurance, I'm not sure about that but I don't feel fully comfortable with 100% fuel load, the "real" 190 only arises when aft fuel tank is empty (as it should be) so you lose your endurance if you want the best combat conditions. 109 of course is penalised by a 100% fuel load but not so hugely IMO and not in a so accused CoG change, so while 190 has more endurance I would take a 109 for a long run.

 

In the short run, aft tank emptied 190, and similar conditions 109 may be I like the low level speed of 190. But you can also out run and specially out climb a P-51 easily with the 109. In the end I guess it's a likes question, what you like more, but them both are winners in the actual battlefield. I wouldn't know what to choose if I had to keep only one.

 

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[void]

For the reasons you gaved above, those planes are too different and too good in what they built for, to pick one. It depends with my mood which one I use. I`ll fly the 190 for a boom'n'zoom, but when I want dogfight action I`d go for the 109. Both, for me.

Edited October 13, 2015 by void

[Krupi]

I find myself flying the 109 quite a bit more than the 190. To paraphrase Adolf Galland: The 109 "fits like a glove". :)

 

My understanding was that Galland voiced his opinion that the 109 manufacturing should be ceased and replaced with the 190 and Me 262!

Edited October 13, 2015 by Krupi

[NineLine]

I'm not sure I can explain this well, but the 190 feels like a modern muscle car with fancy gizmos and such, and the 109 feels like a beefy 1969 Camaro, the 109 to me just feels like a high performance weapon, little comforts and such. I told Yo-Yo a while back that I am not sure now that my favorite aircraft, the Spitfire, is going to pull me out of the cockpit of the 109. :)

[JST]

I made this exact same thread in December and my opinion has barely changed since.

 

Dora. Always.

 

And it simply comes down to one word; ergonomics.

 

Incredible visibility, easy and enjoyable to use, very forgiving and smooth in flight (Especially with rudder), well armed (Although doesn't matter in DCS currently) and she even looks much better.

 

She is just superior.

[Krupi]

I'm not sure I can explain this well, but the 190 feels like a modern muscle car with fancy gizmos and such, and the 109 feels like a beefy 1969 Camaro, the 109 to me just feels like a high performance weapon, little comforts and such. I told Yo-Yo a while back that I am not sure now that my favorite aircraft, the Spitfire, is going to pull me out of the cockpit of the 109. :)

 

I feel exactly the same thing the 190 always reminds me of a muscle car!

 

There is a certain feeling you get when you are in the 109 a feeling of invincibility! :D

 

I am heavily biased towards the 190 however I can't stop looking at the 109 it really is a beauty...

[Krupi]

I made this exact same thread in December and my opinion has barely changed since.

 

Dora. Always.

 

And it simply comes down to one word; ergonomics.

 

Incredible visibility, easy and enjoyable to use, very forgiving and smooth in flight (Especially with rudder), well armed (Although doesn't matter in DCS currently) and she even looks much better.

 

She is just superior.

 

At the moment I will always jump in the 190 it is a fascinating aircraft however I really need to learn how to use the gunsight properly if only we had the D-13 :D

[rrohde]

My understanding was that Galland voiced his opinion that the 109 manufacturing should be ceased and replaced with the 190 and Me 262!

 

According to "The First and the Last", and "The German Aces Speak", that sentiment came later in the war, after the American day-time raids with P-51 support became so prominent.

[Krupi]

According to "The First and the Last", and "The German Aces Speak", that sentiment came later in the war, after the American day-time raids with P-51 support became so prominent.

 

Yes and for sure the influx of green pilots made the 190 a no brainer

[Sporg]

I'm with the guys who prefer both.

They both have their strengths and weaknesses, both both have a personality I like. :)

 

But at the moment I mostly fly the 109, because it's so "fiddly".

There are so many things you can try in it. :)

 

Like Sith said, 190 is the big powerful and stable BMW, while the 109 is the small fast roadster you take out on the small curved country roads. ;)

[Krupi]

I'm with the guys who prefer both.

They both have their strengths and weaknesses, both both have a personality I like. :)

 

But at the moment I mostly fly the 109, because it's so "fiddly".

There are so many things you can try in it. :)

 

Like Sith said, 190 is the big powerful and stable BMW, while the 109 is the small fast roadster you take out on the small curved country roads. ;)

 

Yes, I really think they compliment each other.

 

This really causes the Pony's issues, so I am intrigued as to how much the Spitfires release will impact the status quo since they will get there own manoeuvrable aircraft

[NineLine]

Yes, I really think they compliment each other.

 

This really causes the Pony's issues, so I am intrigued as to how much the Spitfires release will impact the status quo since they will get there own manoeuvrable aircraft

 

The Spit should fill in the gap where the 190 is concerned I believe..

[Charly_Owl]

My personal opinion on the matter is that I like them both equally; they all have their quirks. The 190's visibility on landing is really bad and that's one of the things I don't like about the plane's design. The 109's narrow landing gear is one of the plane's design choices that I don't like, but it's good practice for the Spitfire which also has a very narrow landing gear.

 

In the air, I prefer the 109's handling to the 190's if I want to hunt for fighters. However, the 190's great firepower would make it my number one choice for bomber hunting if we ever get some in DCS.

 

IMHO... The 190 looks like a machine purposely designed and built for war. The 109 looks like a racing machine that happened to be used for war. :)

[Solty]

The Spit should fill in the gap where the 190 is concerned I believe..

How so? The Spit's main advantage is its turn radious. The 190 is a B&Z aircraft and inherently does a better job at diving and zooming. If a competent Dora pilot would fight a Spit, the Spitfire player can only evade or try snapshots, also 190D9 is faster in level flight.

 

To me Spit would be better against the 109 which is more of a turner and not even close to what Spit can do. Maybe Germans will stop breaking into turnning fights (although that is prartialy a problem with P-51 pilots that follow them too) as they will be afraid of the Spitfire cutting into their turns and leaving me more time to shoot at them :P

 

 

With any normal setting I would say 190 all the way. But we have D9 vs deamon called K4... I would say K4, just because of that acceleration and that a bit better turn and that easier flight characteristics. I think in games the 109 problems do not carry well into the virtual world, and pilot fatigue is not a thing so... So I voted K4. What I realy love about the Fw190 is the roll rate and ability to make good deflection shots at high speeds. Thats awesome. Oh and the cockpit is awesome too.

 

PS. I like Dora better, but I find the K4 in the GAME easier to get kills with. In any other circumstance, or if we talked about IRL I would say Fw190 without a doubt.

Edited October 14, 2015 by Solty

[Celestiale]

I prefer the 190 because of 2 reasons. First one is because the 190 is my favourite plane in general (prefer the A though).

Second is i don't like to fly the K, because it doesn't have the "workhorse" character for me. It wasn't very likely to encounter a Kurfürst in '44. I prefer to fly workhorses like the Mustang, Thunderbolt or the 190, who were used in larger numbers (at that time). Would have prefered the G10 or G14.

[Ganesh]

Great thread and poll!

Thank you in advance for many posts i can read.

For myself i have not yet decided but i belive it´s foreseeable that no one can win this "fight" for me.

I also have not the expirience till now and can only say something to my persopnal aesthetic and visual aspects:

Outside it´s the Me. In pit the FW.

Edited October 14, 2015 by Ganesh

[Krupi]

To be honest I haven't voted either, I plan on learning to fly both well and let the results speak for themselves.. If I start to really notice that I have more success in one then naturally I will start to favour it.

[Anatoli-Kagari9]

I voted D9, although I end up flying the K4 a lot more for the additional challenge it presents, but, as an aircraft, I do prefer the Fw190 D9, in all aspects...

[Sporg]

I cannot choose one over the other.

 

I miss an option in the poll: "Both!" :)

[Celestiale]

To be honest I haven't voted either, I plan on learning to fly both well and let the results speak for themselves.. If I start to really notice that I have more success in one then naturally I will start to favour it.

when you are only after performance, you'll stick with the 109 for sure. It's by far the easiest to score kills in this plane both off- and online. You don't even need your MW50 even against an Expert AI..there are only 3 piston-planes from WW2 (who all 3 didn't see combat) who can match the K4. Bearcat, P47N and P51H. La7 perhaps in very low altitude. In addition the MK108 makes it more or less one run-up, one kill.

[Krupi]

Agree at the moment, I can already tell that I have to work a lot harder to achieve a kill in the 190. Last night in multiplayer I took out two piloted P-51 then RTB as I had used up the 30mm so I jumped in a Dora took out a P-51 then engaged another lost too much speed and span into the sea..

 

Thanks to the slats in a 109 I would never span in... You really have to look after your energy in the Dora

[MiloMorai]

when you are only after performance, you'll stick with the 109 for sure. It's by far the easiest to score kills in this plane both off- and online. You don't even need your MW50 even against an Expert AI..there are only 3 piston-planes from WW2 (who all 3 didn't see combat) who can match the K4. Bearcat, P47N and P51H. La7 perhaps in very low altitude. In addition the MK108 makes it more or less one run-up, one kill.

 

The P-47N saw combat in the Pacific.

[NineLine]

Simply where each aircraft is happier fighting, and this is based on WWII scenarios, not the air-quake people like to talk about... the Spit will be a Low altitude fighter, much like the 190 is suited for, where as the P-51 and the 109 should be playing up high... I know that might not happen as it should right now in the sim, but I hope we get there at some point when we get some escort targets and the 190 gets to go after ground attack planes like the P-47.

 

I wasnt talking about performance as much as basic roles... The LF IX was put up with the 190 in mind, meant to play down low. Now I know that was earlier 190s, but we have what we have right now. I think a good Spitfire pilot will give a Dora a challenge still.

 

At least thats my take on it...

 

How so? The Spit's main advantage is its turn radious. The 190 is a B&Z aircraft and inherently does a better job at diving and zooming. If a competent Dora pilot would fight a Spit, the Spitfire player can only evade or try snapshots, also 190D9 is faster in level flight.

 

To me Spit would be better against the 109 which is more of a turner and not even close to what Spit can do. Maybe Germans will stop breaking into turnning fights (although that is prartialy a problem with P-51 pilots that follow them too) as they will be afraid of the Spitfire cutting into their turns and leaving me more time to shoot at them :P

 

 

With any normal setting I would say 190 all the way. But we have D9 vs deamon called K4... I would say K4, just because of that acceleration and that a bit better turn and that easier flight characteristics. I think in games the 109 problems do not carry well into the virtual world, and pilot fatigue is not a thing so... So I voted K4. What I realy love about the Fw190 is the roll rate and ability to make good deflection shots at high speeds. Thats awesome. Oh and the cockpit is awesome too.

 

PS. I like Dora better, but I find the K4 in the GAME easier to get kills with. In any other circumstance, or if we talked about IRL I would say Fw190 without a doubt.