Frosty Posted October 30, 2015 Posted October 30, 2015 (edited) edit: I don't want to hear about how they can't be compared for the nth time again, It isn't even what I goddamn was asking about this was about finding a better alternative to the SU-25T which is as i understand it as the SU25KM If I see another god damn post about how they cant be compared... TL: DR Comparisons between the a-10 and the su-25 is now off topic Edited November 1, 2015 by Frosty [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "If the MWS didn't see it. it never happened"
NOLA Posted October 30, 2015 Posted October 30, 2015 (edited) "A bit ehh"? Seems to me you don't really know what you are talking about. It performed well in Afghanistan, Chechnya (twice), Georgia and now Syria. It's weakest part is the lack of MAWS which will be fixed with the SM3 version, its deliveries will start this year. Can A-10 can launch a missile hitting a target within ~5m from well over 100km away, because Su-25SM(3) most certainly can. Edited October 30, 2015 by NOLA
Cytt0rak Posted October 30, 2015 Posted October 30, 2015 Comparing Su-25 to A-10 seems "a bit ehh" because su-25 can do stuff a-10 can't do.
Steel Jaw Posted October 30, 2015 Posted October 30, 2015 Comparing Su-25 to A-10 seems "a bit ehh" because su-25 can do stuff a-10 can't do. Details please. "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, Red Dragon 7800XT/16GB, monitor: GIGABYTE M32QC 32" (31.5" Viewable) QHD 2560 x 1440 (2K) 165Hz.
pepin1234 Posted October 30, 2015 Posted October 30, 2015 Does the Russian airforce have something as good as the a-10 as let's be honest. The frog foot is a bit ehhh Put the infantry of the ARMA in DCS.... You gone hear what is the real ehhh in game [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Frosty Posted October 30, 2015 Author Posted October 30, 2015 I think it's all to do with the target acusition. A-10 has some snazzy features all to do with seeing the target and that's one of the trickiest parts for me having no trackIR. I was really just looking for something to admire Also: 1/ Arma infantry in DCS will highlight what problem? 1/ What is maws? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "If the MWS didn't see it. it never happened"
Johnny Dioxin Posted October 30, 2015 Posted October 30, 2015 Details please. Dedicated SEAD Rig: Asus TUF GAMING B650-PLUS; Ryzen 7800X3D ; 64GB DDR5 5600; RTX 4080; VPC T50 CM2 HOTAS; Pimax Crystal Light I'm learning to fly - but I ain't got wings With my head in VR - it's the next best thing!
Frosty Posted October 30, 2015 Author Posted October 30, 2015 the su-25SM3 does look good i wonder what changes to the hud or cocpit it has [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "If the MWS didn't see it. it never happened"
Frosty Posted October 30, 2015 Author Posted October 30, 2015 multi-display panel. i saw that the yak-130 might take on a fighter bomber role [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "If the MWS didn't see it. it never happened"
Captain Midnight Posted October 30, 2015 Posted October 30, 2015 Yeah, the Su-25 is a little primative in this modern age, but it still Kicks Butt! Its the AK-47 of the Air!
Frosty Posted October 30, 2015 Author Posted October 30, 2015 yeah, i agree. i want to withhold whinging about the lack of power fully loaded but then i figure the a-10 is no better off. but what about the su-34? thats a pretty sick fighter-bomber aircraft. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "If the MWS didn't see it. it never happened"
OutOnTheOP Posted October 30, 2015 Posted October 30, 2015 (edited) Dedicated SEAD ....for which, the Su25 is a TERRIBLE choice. It does not have the speed or performance to be good at it (as in, it can't get itself out of trouble once it gets in, and SEAD aircraft are out there looking for trouble), it has insufficiently advanced sensors to adequately acquire radars, and it doesn't have sufficiently advanced navigation for preplan SEAD missions. Just because it *can* do SEAD, doesn't make it a good choice. That's like bragging that the F-104 can drop bombs. :doh: That's kind of the problem in comparing the Su25 with the A-10. The A-10 is a CAS aircraft. The Su25 is a front-line attack aircraft. The Su25 generally performs missions closer to that performed by an F-16 than those performed by A-10. Really, it kind of occupies a middle ground somewhere between an A-10 and an A2G-configured F-16. For true CAS, A-10 is superior on account of it's sensor and weapons suite, and for BAI and strike, F-16 is (generally) better due to better aerodynamic performance and much higher speed. Edited October 30, 2015 by OutOnTheOP
Esac_mirmidon Posted October 30, 2015 Posted October 30, 2015 Oh no.. Not again X vs Y.... 1 " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4
Frosty Posted October 30, 2015 Author Posted October 30, 2015 ....for which, the Su25 is a TERRIBLE choice. It does not have the speed or performance to be good at it (as in, it can't get itself out of trouble once it gets in, and SEAD aircraft are out there looking for trouble), it has insufficiently advanced sensors to adequately acquire radars, and it doesn't have sufficiently advanced navigation for preplan SEAD missions. Just because it *can* do SEAD, doesn't make it a good choice. That's like bragging that the F-104 can drop bombs. :doh: That's kind of the problem in comparing the Su25 with the A-10. The A-10 is a CAS aircraft. The Su25 is a front-line attack aircraft. The Su25 generally performs missions closer to that performed by an F-16 than those performed by A-10. For true CAS, A-10 is superior on account of it's sensor and weapons suite, and for BAI and strike, F-16 is (generally) better due to better aerodynamic performance and much higher speed. What would you say was a better choice for SEAD? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "If the MWS didn't see it. it never happened"
OutOnTheOP Posted October 30, 2015 Posted October 30, 2015 What would you say was a better choice for SEAD? An F-16? F/A-18G? Even an F-4G. Anything with adequate speed and ceiling, preferably a dedicated weapons and sensor officer. If you mean Russian, a Su27 derivative (Kh31 capable). Su24 (Kh58 capable) would even be better than Su25. Su25 has none of the characteristics of a good SEAD aircraft (besides perhaps loiter time).
ФрогФут Posted October 30, 2015 Posted October 30, 2015 Just because it *can* do SEAD, doesn't make it a good choice. It is always better to be able to do something, rather than not. You never know, what situation you will get in. "Я ошеломлён, но думаю об этом другими словами", - некий гражданин Ноет котик, ноет кротик, Ноет в небе самолетик, Ноют клумбы и кусты - Ноют все. Поной и ты.
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PiedDroit Posted October 30, 2015 Posted October 30, 2015 In terms of capabilities, they're pretty much similar, they can both take a lot of abuse, operate on rough fields and kill a lot stuff. The SU-25 does not have a gun as powerful as the A-10's but it can carry Vikhr for antitank or a sh*tload of rockets for soft targets . I don't see where the "Ehhh" is. Only thing lacking with the SU-25t modeled in DCS is better sensors and Avionics.
Frosty Posted October 30, 2015 Author Posted October 30, 2015 Like I said. It's the HUD that makes the a-10 easier to Spot targets. Isn't the su-34 a good SEAD aircraft? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "If the MWS didn't see it. it never happened"
ФрогФут Posted October 30, 2015 Posted October 30, 2015 The SU-25 does not have a gun as powerful as the A-10's but it can carry Vikhr for antitank or a sh*tload of rockets for soft targets . No, SM does not carry Vikhrs. Yet it does not have any optics, except for Klen laser range finder. It will get SOLT-25 IR/CCD optics soon though. It's the HUD that makes the a-10 easier to Spot targets. Su-25 has HUD as well or i don't get, what you want to say. "Я ошеломлён, но думаю об этом другими словами", - некий гражданин Ноет котик, ноет кротик, Ноет в небе самолетик, Ноют клумбы и кусты - Ноют все. Поной и ты.
QuiGon Posted October 30, 2015 Posted October 30, 2015 :D Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
Esac_mirmidon Posted October 30, 2015 Posted October 30, 2015 This one. And one more thing. The Su-25 is FAST. Much more faster than the A-10C. A very importan thing in combat. Try to do an offset with a step climb and a rolling against a target with a combat load at 250 knots or a 750-800 Km/h. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4
Frosty Posted October 30, 2015 Author Posted October 30, 2015 The HUD literally points everything out to you, in the su-25 you have to fiddle about with the optical system to spot. I've went over the target more times than none. The only way I've found a way around that is using the mercury pod (night vision) to spot targets a lot easier But anyway. Isn't the su-34 just better at doing the same job? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "If the MWS didn't see it. it never happened"
Esac_mirmidon Posted October 30, 2015 Posted October 30, 2015 Is the F-15E better than the A-10 for the same job? " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4
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