bouncerj21 Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Hi All I'm thinking about upgrading my motherboard and Processor mainly for DCS and was wondering what peoples experiences have been with different models. I currently have a I7 3770K OC to 4.6ghz and was wondering if I should upgrade to a I7 4790K (seen a test that shows best single thread performance) or the new Skylake I7 6700K and if there would be any benefit in DCS ? I have 16gb of RAM and a 980 TI graphics card. With options on High except CIV traffic Medium, I am seeing anywhere from 120 fps to 27 fps (average around 50 fps) in cockpit. Running 1.5 beta Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Rage* Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Dont upgrade your CPU! You'll see next to no benefit... If and when DCS utilises SLI/Xfire problem free then you should consider another 980ti. Are you running at 4k? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th "Scorpions" Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 195.201.110.22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouncerj21 Posted November 2, 2015 Author Share Posted November 2, 2015 Thanks for the response. I'm currently running a resolution of 4720 x 1920. 1 x 2560 x 1440 screen and 2 x 720 x 1280 small screens for MFD's I never see the CPU or Graphics card usage go over 50% no matter what detail settings I enable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyforDCS Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I never see the CPU or Graphics card usage go over 50% no matter what detail settings I enable Then you already have your answer. :thumbup: Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitehot Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I guess that an upgrade would just mean an improvement in your minimum fps. I can say that with the specs I have, my fps stay between 120 and 50 (minimum I saw was 48 ). Yet I capped the fps @120, and I feel it is probably OP as my monitor won't do more than 60. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Intel i7 6700K @ 4.2, MSI M5 Z170A Gaming, NZXT X61 Kraken liquid cooler, PNY Nvidia GTX 1080 Founders Edition, 16GB Corsair Vengeance 3000 Mhz C15, samsung 840 evo SSD, CoolerMaster 1000W Gold rated PSU, NZXT Noctis 450 cabinet, Samsung S240SW 24' 1920x1200 LED panel, X-52 Pro Flight stick. W10 Pro x64 1809, NO antivirus EVER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 you can overclock your monitor if you are brave. there are guides. dont ask me i wouldnt know how to do it [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] "If the MWS didn't see it. it never happened" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouncerj21 Posted November 2, 2015 Author Share Posted November 2, 2015 Thanks for all the feedback. I was thinking that as long as the CPU or Processor aren't hitting 100% usage there should be no bottle neck. I take it in situations where I do hit lower FPS High 20's it's because DCS is still being optimized ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dburne Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Agree with others you should be golden with that system you have. I am currently running a 4820k processor at 4.5 ghz with a 970 card and 16gb of ram, and am very pleased with performance in 1.5 so far. I don't think there is anything currently available that would give you much of an increase in performance , unless as Rage mentioned you go sli down the road as they improve for it. Don B EVGA Z390 Dark MB | i9 9900k CPU @ 5.1 GHz | Gigabyte 4090 OC | 64 GB Corsair Vengeance 3200 MHz CL16 | Corsair H150i Pro Cooler |Virpil CM3 Stick w/ Alpha Prime Grip 200mm ext| Virpil CM3 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Base w/ Alpha-L Grip| Point Control V2|Varjo Aero| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xaoslaad Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 SLI works wonderfully now in 1.5 Open Beta. You just need to add the exe to the dcs:bs profile and tweak a few settings using nvidia inspector. I get ~40 fps with one card and ~80 with 2 at 4k resolution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bouncerj21 Posted November 2, 2015 Author Share Posted November 2, 2015 dburne and whitehot would you mind sharing your DCS settings please ? Don't tell me that SLi is now working :( I just got rid of two 970 gti's for the 980ti as I was having more problems than benefit with SLi in most games :) Thanks all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
*Rage* Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 SLI works wonderfully now in 1.5 Open Beta. You just need to add the exe to the dcs:bs profile and tweak a few settings using nvidia inspector. I get ~40 fps with one card and ~80 with 2 at 4k resolution. Great! It seems some folks are still having issues with SLI and xfire though. Im sure it will get ironed out. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 64th "Scorpions" Aggressor Squadron Discord: 64th Aggressor Squadron TS: 195.201.110.22 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharpeXB Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 OP I recently made exactly the same CPU upgrade you are asking about I went from an i7-3770K oc at 4.7GHz to an i7-4790K which is oc at 4.8GHz the Passmark score I measured for for both is 2460 and 2744 in the Single Threaded category So on paper the 4790 performs about 11% better. I don't really have any test on how that relates to DCS though. With the old CPU I could get into situations where it was obvious the CPU was capping performance down to about 30 fps, so logically that would then up to 33. Not really a huge difference. And this was with DCSW 1.2 I haven't tried 1.5 yet. The big difference I notice is how much more quiet my CPU cooler is with the 4790. 4.7GHz is some pretty extreme high overclocking for the 3770 and my CPU fan whirred like a prop engine. Another big issue I had, which is why I replaced the 3770 was that it was unstable at that speed and led to a lot of machine crashes. If your is stable at 4.6 GHz that's good. Whether it's worth the $ for a 10% improvement is your call. i9-13900K @ 6.2GHz oc | ASUS ROG MAXIMUS Z790 HERO | 64GB DDR5 5600MHz | iCUE H150i Liquid CPU Cooler | 24GB GeForce RTX 4090 | Windows 11 Home | 2TB Samsung 980 PRO NVMe | Corsair RM1000x | LG 48GQ900-B 4K OLED Monitor | CH Fighterstick | Ch Pro Throttle | CH Pro Pedals | TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dburne Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 dburne and whitehot would you mind sharing your DCS settings please ? Don't tell me that SLi is now working :( I just got rid of two 970 gti's for the 980ti as I was having more problems than benefit with SLi in most games :) To clarify, I am not currently running SLI although I have thought about adding another 970 down the road and giving it a try. But currently I run DCS 1.5 with everything maxed out, ( except DOF off and cockpit displays 512) - 1920x1080, 144 hz and get very good performance. FPS above 100 in most cases. No stuttering at all, very smooth gameplay. In Nvidia control panel I have it set to application controlled, and set all my settings in the game GUI. AA and AF are maxed out as well in game. My system is running at 4.50 ghz, and I have my GTX 970 card running at 1460 core and 4000 memory. Don B EVGA Z390 Dark MB | i9 9900k CPU @ 5.1 GHz | Gigabyte 4090 OC | 64 GB Corsair Vengeance 3200 MHz CL16 | Corsair H150i Pro Cooler |Virpil CM3 Stick w/ Alpha Prime Grip 200mm ext| Virpil CM3 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Base w/ Alpha-L Grip| Point Control V2|Varjo Aero| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitehot Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 dburne and whitehot would you mind sharing your DCS settings please ? All settings maxed out, xcept depth of field turned off (major fps impact in external views, although is something owed to DCS being unoptimized and not to GPU performance). @Frosty - yup, I read around that the display could be "overclocked", but I don't feel very confident doing it as afaik, many folks bricked their screens after trying that.. I think I'll just keep it as it is, and then get Oculus Rift when it finally gets real. Also, being it a 16:10, 1920x1200 display, it has a higher resolution that most screens around today (up to 2560x1440), which is something I value much. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Intel i7 6700K @ 4.2, MSI M5 Z170A Gaming, NZXT X61 Kraken liquid cooler, PNY Nvidia GTX 1080 Founders Edition, 16GB Corsair Vengeance 3000 Mhz C15, samsung 840 evo SSD, CoolerMaster 1000W Gold rated PSU, NZXT Noctis 450 cabinet, Samsung S240SW 24' 1920x1200 LED panel, X-52 Pro Flight stick. W10 Pro x64 1809, NO antivirus EVER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharpeXB Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 This is a good website to compare CPUs on http://cpuboss.com For most sims and DCS I understand you want to look at the Single-Core Performance score i9-13900K @ 6.2GHz oc | ASUS ROG MAXIMUS Z790 HERO | 64GB DDR5 5600MHz | iCUE H150i Liquid CPU Cooler | 24GB GeForce RTX 4090 | Windows 11 Home | 2TB Samsung 980 PRO NVMe | Corsair RM1000x | LG 48GQ900-B 4K OLED Monitor | CH Fighterstick | Ch Pro Throttle | CH Pro Pedals | TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dburne Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I would also mention I have hyper-threading disabled in my motherboard's bios. Most games do not really take advantage of hyper-threading, and personally I have not apps really that would so I have no real need to run it on my i7 processor. Having it disabled also means little lower cpu core temps as well, and if one is overclocking can lead to higher stable overclocks having it disabled. Don B EVGA Z390 Dark MB | i9 9900k CPU @ 5.1 GHz | Gigabyte 4090 OC | 64 GB Corsair Vengeance 3200 MHz CL16 | Corsair H150i Pro Cooler |Virpil CM3 Stick w/ Alpha Prime Grip 200mm ext| Virpil CM3 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Base w/ Alpha-L Grip| Point Control V2|Varjo Aero| Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72westy Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 At the very min an i5 2500K which by the way is an over-clocking beast. With the right fan/cooler it will clock to 5ghz easy. Windows 10 Pro 22H2 Build 19045.3758/Core i7 3770K/Gigabyte GA-Z68XP-UD3 (BIOS F-10)/32GB G-Skill Trident X DDR3 CL7-8-8-24/Asus RTX 2070 OC 8GB - drivers 546.29/LG Blue Ray DL Burner/1TB Crucial MX 500 SSD/(x2)1TBMushkinRAWSSDs/2TB PNY CS900 SSD/Corsair RM750w PSU/Rosewill Mid Challenger Tower/34" LG LED Ultrawide 2560x1080p/Saitek X56 HOTAS/TrackIR 5 Pro/Thermaltake Tt esports Commander Gear Combo/Oculus Quest 2/TM 2xMFD Cougar/InateckPCIeUSB3.2KU5211-R Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra99 Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Hi All I'm thinking about upgrading my motherboard and Processor mainly for DCS and was wondering what peoples experiences have been with different models. I currently have a I7 3770K OC to 4.6ghz and was wondering if I should upgrade to a I7 4790K (seen a test that shows best single thread performance) or the new Skylake I7 6700K and if there would be any benefit in DCS ? I have 16gb of RAM and a 980 TI graphics card. With options on High except CIV traffic Medium, I am seeing anywhere from 120 fps to 27 fps (average around 50 fps) in cockpit. Running 1.5 beta Thanks I was considering upgrading my CPU until I realized when DCS is running its idling along at about 30-35% most of the time. You can see my system specs in my sig. I'm sticking with my CPU for now and going for a bigger Video card. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Primary Computer ASUS Z390-P, i7-9700K CPU @ 5.0Ghz, 32GB Patriot Viper Steel DDR4 @ 3200Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce 1070 Ti AMP Extreme, Samsung 970 EVO M.2 NVMe drives (1Tb & 500 Gb), Windows 10 Professional, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, Thrustmaster Warthog Stick, Thrustmaster Cougar Throttle, Cougar MFDs x3, Saitek Combat Rudder Pedals and TrackIR 5. -={TAC}=-DCS Server Gigabyte GA-Z68XP-UD3, i7-3770K CPU @ 3.90GHz, 32GB G.SKILL Ripjaws DDR3 @ 1600Mhz, ZOTAC GeForce® GTX 970. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitehot Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 I was considering upgrading my CPU until I realized when DCS is running its idling along at about 30-35% most of the time. You can see my system specs in my sig. I'm sticking with my CPU for now and going for a bigger Video card. I wouldn't take that kind of data for granted. Utilities that measure cpu load seem very inaccurate to say the least. My old i7 960, OC'ed @ 4 ghz, gave me ~40, sometimes 50 fps on average. With a Skylake i7 6700K @4.2 Ghz it normally stays above the hundred. CPU load measuring utilities basically said the same with both the old 960 and the new 6700K, with an usage not going above 50%. ofc, both systems used the very same video card, a msi 970. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Intel i7 6700K @ 4.2, MSI M5 Z170A Gaming, NZXT X61 Kraken liquid cooler, PNY Nvidia GTX 1080 Founders Edition, 16GB Corsair Vengeance 3000 Mhz C15, samsung 840 evo SSD, CoolerMaster 1000W Gold rated PSU, NZXT Noctis 450 cabinet, Samsung S240SW 24' 1920x1200 LED panel, X-52 Pro Flight stick. W10 Pro x64 1809, NO antivirus EVER Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pindol Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 For me the best solution CPU i7 4790K O/C 4.8 GHz GTX 980 GPU !!! And there is no problem to fly quite well in DCS 1.5 high graphic details. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blaze Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Getting my friend's old computer since his job is buying him a new one. Going from an AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4GHz and 8GB RAM to an Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0 GHz and 16GB RAM. Throw my current EVGA 970 oc'd and I'll finally be AMD-free. :) i7 7700K | 32GB RAM | GTX 1080Ti | Rift CV1 | TM Warthog | Win 10 "There will always be people with a false sense of entitlement. You can want it, you can ask for it, but you don't automatically deserve it. " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SharpeXB Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Getting my friend's old computer since his job is buying him a new one. Going from an AMD Phenom II X4 965 3.4GHz and 8GB RAM to an Intel Core i7-6700K 4.0 GHz and 16GB RAM. Throw my current EVGA 970 oc'd and I'll finally be AMD-free. :) Your friends "old" computer has a new Skylake CPU? Lucky you! :lol: i9-13900K @ 6.2GHz oc | ASUS ROG MAXIMUS Z790 HERO | 64GB DDR5 5600MHz | iCUE H150i Liquid CPU Cooler | 24GB GeForce RTX 4090 | Windows 11 Home | 2TB Samsung 980 PRO NVMe | Corsair RM1000x | LG 48GQ900-B 4K OLED Monitor | CH Fighterstick | Ch Pro Throttle | CH Pro Pedals | TrackIR 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cichlidfan Posted November 4, 2015 Share Posted November 4, 2015 Your friends "old" computer has a new Skylake CPU? Lucky you! :lol: Agreed. :thumbup: I have given away a couple of machines that were fairly recent tech but not quite that current. Heck, my own machines aren't that up-to-data. :cry: ASUS ROG Maximus VIII Hero, i7-6700K, Noctua NH-D14 Cooler, Crucial 32GB DDR4 2133, Samsung 950 Pro NVMe 256GB, Samsung EVO 250GB & 500GB SSD, 2TB Caviar Black, Zotac GTX 1080 AMP! Extreme 8GB, Corsair HX1000i, Phillips BDM4065UC 40" 4k monitor, VX2258 TouchScreen, TIR 5 w/ProClip, TM Warthog, VKB Gladiator Pro, Saitek X56, et. al., MFG Crosswind Pedals #1199, VolairSim Pit, Rift CV1 :thumbup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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