nscode Posted June 27, 2006 Posted June 27, 2006 I think he was refering just to that one incident ;) And the story about MiG-21 having a part in it as LOListick as to anyone as it had 0 combat flights in the conflict Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
TucksonSonny Posted June 27, 2006 Posted June 27, 2006 The only propaganda there came from Serbia and Russia, when they claimed things like shooting down amazing numebrs of (manned) aircraft, inluding a B-2 or two ... interestingly enough, people were counting the correct number of B-2's present on airbases ... ;) I remember that 1 B-2 made an emergency landing during the Yugo war period. The US was claiming that the damage was not related with the air strikes over the Yugo area. Anyway, since the Yugo war, no B-2 was ever used again in any real conflict. About the T-160 claim: There is nothing in the world that can intercept a Mach 2 cruising Black Jack at alt 50k+ (including the F-22). DELL Intel® Core™ i7 Processor 940 2,93 GHz @3 GHz, 8 MB cache | 8.192 MB 1.067 MHz Tri Channel DDR3 | 512 MB ATI® Radeon™ 4850 | 500 GB 7200 rpm Serial ATA | Samsung SM 2693 HM 25.5 " | HOTAS Cougar Thrustmaster |
Crusty Posted June 27, 2006 Posted June 27, 2006 I think he was refering just to that one incident ;) So was I ;);) oo err...missus:animals_bunny: ** Anti-Pastie**
Force_Feedback Posted June 27, 2006 Posted June 27, 2006 Would you elaborate on that? :) In 1995 a F-15J shot down another one during a live fire exercise, the aim-9m malfunctioned and went after that f-15. Guess the Japanese F-15s have a 1:-1 kill record now :P Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
ARM505 Posted June 27, 2006 Posted June 27, 2006 In the last F22 thread, I posted (then removed the post) that we need a forum rule that states: The F22 pwns all. That way, when somebody wants to argue otherwise, or about how a Typhoon or Su-XX or something else might give it a fair fight, we can say 'Uh-uh buddy, read the FAQ/rules, ok?!' This would purely be in the interests of saving time and effort, regardless of what the actuall F22 can or can't do. I now know I shouldn't have removed the post the last time I wrote this, so here it is again! 2
Shaman Posted June 27, 2006 Posted June 27, 2006 In the last F22 thread, I posted (then removed the post) that we need a forum rule that states: The F22 pwns all. That way, when somebody wants to argue otherwise, or about how a Typhoon or Su-XX or something else might give it a fair fight, we can say 'Uh-uh buddy, read the FAQ/rules, ok?!' This would purely be in the interests of saving time and effort, regardless of what the actuall F22 can or can't do. I now know I shouldn't have removed the post the last time I wrote this, so here it is again! Hahahaha. Awesome idea. Agree! :thumbup: 51PVO Founding member (DEC2007-) 100KIAP Founding member (DEC2018-) :: Shaman aka [100☭] Shamansky tail# 44 or 444 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 100KIAP Regiment Early Warning & Control officer
GGTharos Posted June 27, 2006 Posted June 27, 2006 I remember that 1 B-2 made an emergency landing during the Yugo war period. The US was claiming that the damage was not related with the air strikes over the Yugo area. Anyway, since the Yugo war, no B-2 was ever used again in any real conflict. About the T-160 claim: There is nothing in the world that can intercept a Mach 2 cruising Black Jack at alt 50k+ (including the F-22). Are you sure? I mean, when faster than light, no left or right ;) And the long-wavelength EWRs aren't sitting there doing nothing you know ... probably not too difficult to put an F-15 or two in its way ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
ivan_v4 Posted June 27, 2006 Posted June 27, 2006 About the T-160 claim: There is nothing in the world that can intercept a Mach 2 cruising Black Jack at alt 50k+ (including the F-22). I said undetected :) not that was not intercepted. http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles/2006/04/24/Navigation/177/206145/Russians+claim+bomber+flights+over+US+territory+went.html
Cosmonaut Posted June 27, 2006 Posted June 27, 2006 In the last F22 thread, I posted (then removed the post) that we need a forum rule that states: The F22 pwns all. That way, when somebody wants to argue otherwise, or about how a Typhoon or Su-XX or something else might give it a fair fight, we can say 'Uh-uh buddy, read the FAQ/rules, ok?!' This would purely be in the interests of saving time and effort, regardless of what the actuall F22 can or can't do. I now know I shouldn't have removed the post the last time I wrote this, so here it is again! LOL agreed!! :thumbup: There’s no real debate regarding the superiority of the F22 even if, as I believe, some of the stats might be a little exaggerated the Raptor is still the best and will most likely only be defeated in five or ten years time when humans are taken out of the loop :pilotfly: . You could throw “cost effectiveness” in the debating ring and have at it :argue: but in terms of air superiority then it just gets pointless.. with these ever increasing kill ratios. :spam_laser: Cozmo. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Minimum effort, maximum satisfaction. CDDS Tutorial Version 3. | Main Screen Mods.
GGTharos Posted June 27, 2006 Posted June 27, 2006 I said undetected :) not that was not intercepted. http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles/2006/04/24/Navigation/177/206145/Russians+claim+bomber+flights+over+US+territory+went.html Flying over the arctic at low altitude isn't much of a feat ya know ... might have an 'oh darn, they can do this too!' moment ;) Aren't the production lines closed anyway? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
knellknell Posted June 27, 2006 Posted June 27, 2006 oHHHHHHoooooOOOOOOOOOOOooooo A troll ......... :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
ivan_v4 Posted June 27, 2006 Posted June 27, 2006 i have heard of some major upgrades on the Tu-160, i dont have details. But i think its true production lines are closed.
RvETito Posted June 27, 2006 Posted June 27, 2006 I have come to realize that if you want to keep a thread on the front page for any length of time just add the words "F-22 owns" in the header. That's the most valuable post in this thread so far. "See, to me that's a stupid instrument. It tells what your angle of attack is. If you don't know you shouldn't be flying." - Chuck Yeager, from the back seat of F-15D at age 89. =RvE=
GGTharos Posted June 27, 2006 Posted June 27, 2006 i have heard of some major upgrades on the Tu-160, i dont have details. But i think its true production lines are closed. I heard the same - it's a pretty awesome bomber if you think about it ... I'm curious as to its ECM package :) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Force_Feedback Posted June 27, 2006 Posted June 27, 2006 I heard the same - it's a pretty awesome bomber if you think about it ... I'm curious as to its ECM package :) Able to give anyone testicular cancer at over 400km away. Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
nscode Posted June 27, 2006 Posted June 27, 2006 Yeah... they must be including the led "protectors" for the crew in TO weight :D Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
Wannabee Posted June 27, 2006 Posted June 27, 2006 Nothing is proven until the first shots of real combat.
nscode Posted June 27, 2006 Posted June 27, 2006 I would extend that to 10 years of real service Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
Force_Feedback Posted June 27, 2006 Posted June 27, 2006 Nothing is proven until the first shots of real combat. Yes, but if it will, you, me and everybody else on these boards won't live to flame about it ;). It was said in soome russian programme that it had an RCS comparable to a cruise missile. Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
Guest Cali Posted June 27, 2006 Posted June 27, 2006 "Terminal stage and impact Once the missile closes to self-homing distance, it turns on its active radar seeker and searches for the target aircraft. If the target is in or near the expected location, the missile will find it and guide itself to the target from this point. If the missile is fired at short range (typically, visual range), it can use its active seeker just after launch, making the missile truly fire-and-forget. At the point where an AMRAAM switches to autonomous self-guidance, the NATO brevity word "PITBULL" would be called out on the radio to inform other pilots, just as "Fox Three" would be called out upon launch." Look at how they use the term "PITBULL" taken from here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AIM-120 They also said that the range of the 120 is around 45 miles.
cool_t Posted June 27, 2006 Posted June 27, 2006 Raptor info over load. Well now, There is quite a bit of new sensors aboard the F-22. If a jet is to be un detected how does it detect other air-craft? A good hint Shock wave Tec. Conventional radar weather it spans 100 different wavelengs can be "spoofed" but the enemy aircraft always has an IR, radio wave, and shock wave sig. Do some home work boys and think of the un-thinkable. It will give you the edge in combat against the lerker above. Also remember its not the plane is the pilot who flys it. Cool t :joystick: I once saw cool beans do the tail slide in a cesna! :) 1
S77th-GOYA Posted June 28, 2006 Posted June 28, 2006 So many people guessing about things they don't know. 1
BladeLWS Posted June 28, 2006 Posted June 28, 2006 So many people guessing about things they don't know. Yep... Oh and about the radar. The Raptors radar beam changes direction, power, and shape so fast that RWR's have a hard time finding it. It won't matter if they detect the radar on an RWR anyways, as the Raptors radar will direct a full power beam of energy at the bandit and effective turn his plane into a WW1 biplane from overloading the sensors. ;) Thats at least whats been published about it, and that's only 10% of its capability I bet ya. 1
Guest Cali Posted June 28, 2006 Posted June 28, 2006 Originally Posted by S77th-GOYA So many people guessing about things they don't know. Since the majority of the systems in the Raptor are classified then a guess is as good as it gets. That is unless you seem to know more than the rest of us civilians. Which I doubt. Who you callin a civilian :megalol: I'm protesting :protest:this thread, where is the guy that started it :crazy:
GGTharos Posted June 28, 2006 Posted June 28, 2006 Yep... Oh and about the radar. The Raptors radar beam changes direction, power, and shape so fast that RWR's have a hard time finding it. It won't matter if they detect the radar on an RWR anyways, as the Raptors radar will direct a full power beam of energy at the bandit and effective turn his plane into a WW1 biplane from overloading the sensors. ;) Thats at least whats been published about it, and that's only 10% of its capability I bet ya. No, it's more like 150% capability ;) You can't fry another aircraft's electronics without frying you own. The AESA radar -can- act as a jammer however, and a relatively powerful one at that if need be. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
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