Dappman Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) Yes they are top secret. If they weren't the Chinese (and any country with a sufficient military budget) would be building copies of the F117. The F117 can't be top secret. One was downed in Serbia and the wreckage went straight to Russia. The stealth body would have been the most secret part about it since it used existing US equipment. Edited December 2, 2015 by Dappman
chev255 Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 The F117 can't be top secret. One was downed in Serbia and the wreckage went straight to Russia. The stealth body would have been the most secret part about it since it used existing US equipment. Then please show us where the russians published all the info that they got? :huh:
OnlyforDCS Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) The F117 can't be top secret. One was downed in Serbia and the wreckage went straight to Russia. The stealth body would have been the most secret part about it since it used existing US equipment. So how does Serbia downing an F117 have any relevance as to whether the project and its technical documents (such as blueprints etc.) are TOP-SECRET or not? How does a wreckage of a real F117 (which by all accounts is sitting somewhere in a bunker in Russia or China) help a 3rd party to build this module? :doh: Edited December 2, 2015 by OnlyforDCS Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals.
Dappman Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) So how does Serbia downing an F117 have any relevance as to whether the project and its technical documents (such as blueprints etc.) are TOP-SECRET or not? How does a wreckage of a real F117 (which by all accounts is sitting somewhere in a bunker in Russia or China) help a 3rd party to build this module? :doh: Read the post I quoted. The guy said China would be building it but they can't because its top secret. It can't be top secret if the body has been extensively tested by the enemy. Never said a 3rd party can make it. They didn't out right copy the F-117 they used it to research "anti-stealth" radar. EDIT: What I mean to say is its compromised. It does still have a top secret clearance. Edited December 2, 2015 by Dappman
Mike Busutil Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 I've never even seen a picture of a working cockpit on the internet? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Checkout my user files here: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/filter/user-is-Mike Busutil/apply/
MiG21bisFishbedL Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 I don't think there was anything low and "fast" about the Goblin. Notice how I placed fast in quotation marks. It was meant to be facetious. Reformers hate him! This one weird trick found by a bush pilot will make gunfighter obsessed old farts angry at your multi-role carrier deck line up!
mvsgas Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 This is not accurate picture, The FLIR screen is not right and the ejection ring is not correct. To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
Cool Breeze Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) This is not accurate picture, The FLIR screen is not right and the ejection ring is not correct. An upgraded model perhaps? The only thing I see, at a glance on a rather small screen, is the ejection handle. Edited December 2, 2015 by Cool Breeze "For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Leonardo Da Vinci "We are tied to the ocean. And when we go back to the sea, whether it is to sail or to watch - we are going back from whence we came." John F. Kennedy
Cool Breeze Posted December 2, 2015 Posted December 2, 2015 Notice how I placed fast in quotation marks. It was meant to be facetious. I think you will also notice how I left them in quotations. Maybe I only got half of the sarcasm. My point still stands, as far as I know, the Goblin wasn't ment to come in a tree top level like the Aardvark or Tornado. She is a methodical mid to high altitude attack aircraft. "For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Leonardo Da Vinci "We are tied to the ocean. And when we go back to the sea, whether it is to sail or to watch - we are going back from whence we came." John F. Kennedy
bzhnono Posted December 3, 2015 Posted December 3, 2015 You forgot the most important question : Is it better thant the Mig21 in dogfight ? /sorry /not this crap again :O [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
elegantsoar Posted December 3, 2015 Posted December 3, 2015 Too limited. Extremely short bombing runs...
Cool Breeze Posted December 3, 2015 Posted December 3, 2015 You forgot the most important question : Is it better thant the Mig21 in dogfight ? /sorry /not this crap again :O "For once you have tasted flight you will walk the earth with your eyes turned skywards, for there you have been and there you will long to return." Leonardo Da Vinci "We are tied to the ocean. And when we go back to the sea, whether it is to sail or to watch - we are going back from whence we came." John F. Kennedy
Mike Busutil Posted December 3, 2015 Posted December 3, 2015 Too limited. Extremely short bombing runs... And that's why we have in flight refueling :D Over time the maps in DCS will grow just like the list of aircraft have grown... We could probably come up with a list of restrictions for every aircraft in DCS right now on why it would not be good to have them in DCS. Seriously who would not want a detailed F-117? Yeah yeah, classified systems, secret this and that... Unless you are flying the real F-117 and have a checkride in it after you train for it in DCS I doubt it's a problem if the developers create systems for it based on what we do know... I remember a time when people heard the old MiG-21 was coming to DCS and were mad about it because it was an outdated fighter... But Leatherneck put so much attention to detail into it that it's one of best modules available and everyone loves it. I think if a non arcade version can be developed with a high level of detail the F-117 will do well in DCS. If we have room for trainer jets then surely we have room for a very cool stealth bomber :thumbup: [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Checkout my user files here: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/filter/user-is-Mike Busutil/apply/
psy_ Posted December 3, 2015 Posted December 3, 2015 stealth day/night missions can be fun, i say yes look at the old game F117 A - Stealth Fighter 2... i5 4670,8gb ram,gtx 660,logitech freedom 2.4
SDsc0rch Posted December 3, 2015 Posted December 3, 2015 ^^what mike said! +1 i7-4790K | Asus Sabertooth Z97 MkI | 16Gb DDR3 | EVGA GTX 980 | TM Warthog | MFG Crosswind | Panasonic TC-58AX800U [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
KROLSKI Posted December 3, 2015 Posted December 3, 2015 Shure the platform is a one trick pony, but come on...a Nighthawk how cool would that be!!!!! Can imagine sending a couple in before a big operation to drop a gbu-27 on sam sites and such. Combining different type of plane's, already available or future developments, for their different roles ads so much diversity in the way missions can be executed. Only adding more and more imersion to the whole experience. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
SDsc0rch Posted December 3, 2015 Posted December 3, 2015 know what i want? i would really like a... "digital" "combat" "simulation" seems like we're not modeling current-day modern air combat - seems like the platforms being built in to DCS is around the 90s-era right when the F-117 was operational the f-117 was around and was part of military planners' order of battle, therefore it would really be great if it was in DCS ED should be doing everything in its power to simulate air combat - in whatever timeframe they choose i7-4790K | Asus Sabertooth Z97 MkI | 16Gb DDR3 | EVGA GTX 980 | TM Warthog | MFG Crosswind | Panasonic TC-58AX800U [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Donut Posted December 3, 2015 Posted December 3, 2015 Oh man....an F-117 would be incredible! What a legendary aircraft. Sure, it was limited in it's role but that would not detract from it being a very fun and interesting aircraft to fly and operate. If the information is available to create a full fidelity sim, I am all for it! i5 7600K @4.8GHz | 1080 Ti | 32GB 3200MHz | SSD | DCS SETTINGS | "COCKPIT"
Not_G Posted December 4, 2015 Posted December 4, 2015 It's hard for me to imagine a mp mission that would be very much fun with the 117, an Ef-111 or some other EW bird I think would be a bit more enjoyable. You could sort of have a "stealth A-10" that way!
mvsgas Posted December 4, 2015 Posted December 4, 2015 Seriously who would not want a detailed F-117? Me (I'm just answering the question.) We would see this over and over again in multiplayer X2wYvr20nAg?t=1m3s http://www.f-117a.com/793.html To whom it may concern, I am an idiot, unfortunately for the world, I have a internet connection and a fondness for beer....apologies for that. Thank you for you patience. Many people don't want the truth, they want constant reassurance that whatever misconception/fallacies they believe in are true..
FraserNZL Posted December 4, 2015 Posted December 4, 2015 I would love a F-117. Please consider it. This isn't an action game it is a sim so to me flying for ages to drop a bomb on a HVT or something in a stealth plane like that would be awesome.
nick10 Posted December 4, 2015 Posted December 4, 2015 Oh for heaven's sake why not just an f-16 or rafale or something. Why does every developer seem bent on modelling the most obscure or specialised aircraft they can think of. What next? The Goodyear blimp? Keep it mainstream people - you just might attract some customers! 1
Exile5121 Posted December 4, 2015 Posted December 4, 2015 Oh for heaven's sake why not just an f-16 or rafale or something. Why does every developer seem bent on modelling the most obscure or specialised aircraft they can think of. What next? The Goodyear blimp? Keep it mainstream people - you just might attract some customers! ^^ Exactly this.
Tirak Posted December 4, 2015 Posted December 4, 2015 F-16 is out because BMS exists, Rafale is out because the French are incredibly protective of any information regarding their equipment, so there would be zero chance of accurate implementation at a DCS level. The Nighthawk is frankly one of the most iconic aircraft in the world. The first stealth warplane, famous for their role at slipping in past Iraqi air defenses and wrecking everything they went after. You would be hard pressed to find a more recognizable plane. I really want to know mvsgas, was the plane really that much of a bitch to maintain that you hate it forever and ever? :megalol:
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