S530 Range

[Rain]

Can't wait to fly it!

 

Give me only cannon ammo, I am still going to shoot down some F-15's with it!

[Brisse]

"Updated Magic II and Super 530D performance."

 

http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/news/2015-12-11_DCS-1.5.2/

[TomCatMucDe]

The M-2000C and the Super 530D

 

"Updated Magic II and Super 530D performance."

 

 

 

http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/news/2015-12-11_DCS-1.5.2/

 

 

 

Nice catch!

 

 

 

Razbam, you can release the bird :)

Edited December 11, 2015 by TomCatMucDe

[il_corleone]

Well, the Mirage just dissapeared from the Modules page.. (Uploading? :D)

 

EDIT: Now appears again!

[Slipp]

Well, the Mirage just dissapeared from the Modules page.. (Uploading? :D)

 

EDIT: Now appears again!

 

RAZBAM will give me a heart attack! :D

[emg]

Are you guys telling me... it's F5 time?? :drink:

[Brisse]

Are you guys telling me... it's F5 time?? :drink:

 

Naah. I think they would have mentioned in todays newsletter of they were to release today. I'm guessing next week...

[TomCatMucDe]

Naah. I think they would have mentioned in todays newsletter of they were to release today. I'm guessing next week...

 

I think so too. They would have said that we can expect imminent release. I doubt it would be a surprising one without a kind of a pre announcement.

[PiedDroit]

Naah. I think they would have mentioned in todays newsletter of they were to release today. I'm guessing next week...

There's already a thread with speculation wildly going :D:

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=155145

Please no derailing... Thread are closed because of that

[mjmorrow]

I got the module because of a few reasons.

 

1) I want to have a full fidelity, 4th generation fighter jet. (which it is)

 

2) I want to have a highly mobile dogfighting/WVR platform (which it also is).

 

Personally, I have no issues with the Mirage 2000C lacking a bit in the BVR department.

 

Yes! The Mirage 2000c is too beautiful to down an opponent BVR, anyway. If I have to be shot down by a Mirage, I would want to see her beautiful lines and form, up close. If I have to hang in a parachutte, i think I deserve at least a peak. :smilewink:

 

Current DCS BVR missiles PK is close to 0 if targets has chaffs. All missiles.

 

TacView track are very informative about that.

 

The only way around is to shoot at point blank range so the target don't have time to release enough chaffs.

 

In the same time AI can shoot R-60M head on (really straight head on).

 

Thank goodness the PK is close to zero and not close to 100%. Personally, if I have to live with one or the other, I would rather be forced to get in close and take my chances in a knife fight, than get nailed by the other guy or gal from BVR 100% of the time. :D

 

:thumbup: MJ

[Kayos]

Naah. I think they would have mentioned in todays newsletter of they were to release today. I'm guessing next week...

 

Maybe they didn't mention it on the new letter to surprise us all :) !!!!

[il_corleone]

Well. the lack of news is also news and in my opinnion is a very good thing, because maybe another "Newsletter" with the release can be in the oven and IMHO, the release is inminnent

[jojo]

Thank goodness the PK is close to zero and not close to 100%. Personally, if I have to live with one or the other, I would rather be forced to get in close and take my chances in a knife fight, than get nailed by the other guy or gal from BVR 100% of the time. :D

 

:thumbup: MJ

 

There are proper ways to defeat a BVR missile, especially Fox 1.

Too weak missiles change the balance and prevent you from exploring these BVR tactics.

[Bacab]

Is it possible to "loft" the Super 530D ?

[red_coreSix]

Is it possible to "loft" the Super 530D ?

 

No, you can't loft SARH missiles.

[jojo]

No, you can't loft SARH missiles.

 

Of course you can, why not ?

[red_coreSix]

Of course you can, why not ?

 

Never saw an ER, or any SARH missile for that matter, loft. Don't know the exact reason why they don't but I'd guess it's a technical restriction. ARH missiles are able to loft.

[PiedDroit]

Never saw an ER, or any SARH missile for that matter, loft. Don't know the exact reason why they don't but I'd guess it's a technical restriction. ARH missiles are able to loft.

What would be the difference between the two (SARH-ARH)? I mean, they both face the same challenge when lofting, which is to lose the target then require it.

My understanding is that missiles that have a datalink are able to loft because they get updates on target position, other don't.

If your ARH is using datalink before going pitbull (i.e. not using reflected energy from ownship's radar) then it can loft I think (the AIM-120C works like thisIIRC).

Other possibility is to have a seeker that allows to keep the target in detection cone at all times, but I don't know much about that.

Again, that's my understanding :smartass:

[red_coreSix]

What would be the difference between the two (SARH-ARH)? I mean, they both face the same challenge when lofting, which is to lose the target then require it.

My understanding is that missiles that have a datalink are able to loft because they get updates on target position, other don't.

If your ARH is using datalink before going pitbull (i.e. not using reflected energy from ownship's radar) then it can loft I think (the AIM-120C works like thisIIRC).

Other possibility is to have a seeker that allows to keep the target in detection cone at all times, but I don't know much about that.

Again, that's my understanding :smartass:

 

True, but apparently SARH missiles don't loft for some reason. That's just how it is. Maybe the informations SARH missiles get aren't enough to perform a lofting maneuver. Or no one thought of that by the time they were developed :lol:

[PiedDroit]

True, but apparently SARH missiles don't loft for some reason. That's just how it is. Maybe the informations SARH missiles get aren't enough to perform a lofting maneuver. Or no one thought of that by the time they were developed :lol:

Well, that's exactly what I'm trying to say :thumbup:: SARH don't loft because no enough info to perform loft.

On the other hand, ARH with datalink (e.g. AIM-120C) = enough info to loft.

ARH without datalink: not enough info to loft either.

It's all about keeping/re-acquiring the target after lofting.

Edited December 12, 2015 by PiedDroit

[jojo]

This is not because DCS SARH missiles don't loft that the real one don't...

 

R-33/ AA-9 AMOS is SARH, with 150km launch range you can be sure it uses loft profile.

 

Well known AIM-54 Phoenix, which lofted like crazy used SARH update, using ARH only in final stage.

 

The standard flight profile flown by the Phoenix starts with a post-launch climb to a peak altitude of 81,400 ft (24810 m), where the missile cruises under control of the onboard autopilot with guidance of the semi-active type using reflections from the target of the radar in the launch warplane’s AWG-9 system. This high-altitude cruise maximises range by reducing drag and providing the rocket motor with optimum operating conditions, and as the missile finally dives down to the attack the energy potential of the cruise altitude is converted into kinetic energy for greater manoeuvrability in the terminal phase of the flight. The missile’s radar switches to the active mode for the final 20,000 yards (18290 m) of the attack, the availability of three fusing modes offering maximum target-destruction capability.

 

http://www.cmchant.com/the-hughes-aim-54-phoenix

[PiedDroit]

This is not because DCS SARH missiles don't loft that the real one don't...

 

R-33/ AA-9 AMOS is SARH, with 150km launch range you can be sure it uses loft profile.

 

Well known AIM-54 Phoenix, which lofted like crazy used SARH update, using ARH only in final stage.

 

http://www.cmchant.com/the-hughes-aim-54-phoenix

+1

As long as the missile can receive updates it's fine. It's not linked to the type of guidance (Semi or active).

[jojo]

I forgot, AIM-7M also has loft flight profile.

 

It's a bit weak has proof, but this is simulated in VRS F/A-18E Super Hornet.

http://forums.vrsimulations.com/support/index.php/AIM-7_Sparrow#Lofted_Trajectory

 

I will look for more solid evidence...

 

Loft profile usually depends on range.

[whiteladder]

I forgot, AIM-7M also has loft flight profile.

 

It's a bit weak has proof, but this is simulated in VRS F/A-18E Super Hornet.

http://forums.vrsimulations.com/support/index.php/AIM-7_Sparrow#Lofted_Trajectory

 

I will look for more solid evidence...

 

Loft profile usually depends on range.

 

 

The aim-7m does have a loft profile option in real life. Having said that I think pretty much all of the combat shots have used the proportional navigation option. If you read descriptions of the engagements they all talk about the missile heading straight towards the target, in fact in some instance because the missile head down towards the deck the pilot thought it had malfunctioned and fired another weapon only to see the first guide and hit.

I think the loft option would be reserved for long range shots against non manouvering targets such bombers.

[jojo]

If you have a link to these AIM-7M stories it would be great...

 

If the missile dive for the target in terminal phase it may be the sign of a loft flight profile...isn't it ?

 

But yes, Loft is more useful for long range shot :thumbup: