sonic Posted December 28, 2015 Share Posted December 28, 2015 How to test: After firing 2 missile from the same wing i got into asymetric load. My missiles wing dragging more i try to trim but it was not working. Disabling FBW having an rodeo try to trim without it and reactivating FBW seemed to help. Cheers! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nomdeplume Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 Trim works fine for me. What controls are you using for it? I have found it to be less.. sensitive, I guess, then most other DCS aircraft. That is, a single press will have a fairly small effect on the aircraft trim. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
unknown Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Never noticed this before but after the patch i did a couple of test flights and with for example only one Magic missile left under my right wing the aircaft is rolling to the right and i can't trim it neutral. There is no difference if i press the trim - left wing down(yes it is assigned correct in the options - checked it and assigned it twice for testing) for 1sec or 30sec or once or 30 times the aircraft is still rolling to the right. After i jettisoned the Magic the aircraft started to slightly roll to the left and i was able to trim the aircraft neutral. Is this a bug or is something messed up with my game(doesn't edit/mod any files) or is the trim in the real aircraft not capable to trim neutral the aircraft with a single Magic missile left under the wing? Test flight was without any wind settings in the mission editor. Modules: KA-50, A-10C, FC3, UH-1H, MI-8MTV2, CA, MIG-21bis, FW-190D9, Bf-109K4, F-86F, MIG-15bis, M-2000C, SA342 Gazelle, AJS-37 Viggen, F/A-18C, F-14, C-101, FW-190A8, F-16C, F-5E, JF-17, SC, Mi-24P Hind, AH-64D Apache, Mirage F1, F-4E Phantom II System: Win 11 Pro 64bit, Ryzen 3800X, 32gb RAM DDR4-3200, PowerColor Radeon RX 6900XT Red Devil ,1 x Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 2TB NVMe, 2 x Samsung SSD 2TB + 1TB SATA, MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals - VIRPIL T-50CM and VIRPIL MongoosT-50 Throttle - HP Reverg G2, using only the latest Open Beta, DCS settings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunnergolly Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 (edited) I have the same problem, the aileron trim is not working when i have asymmetrical loads. The trim buttons are working fine for making heading/altitude adjustments to the autopilot. Edited January 16, 2016 by Gunnergolly Win 11 Home 64Bit, i7-13700K@5.2Ghz Water Cooled, 32 Gb RAM, PNY RTX4090, HP Reverb, PICO 4, Quest 3, Realsimulator FSSB R3, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, MFG Crosswind Pedals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolle Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 same problem here [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Intel Core I7 4820K @4.3 GHz, Asus P9X79 motherboard, 16 GB RAM @ 933 MHz, NVidia GTX 1070 with 8 GB VRAM, Windows 10 Pro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlaxoxo Posted January 16, 2016 Share Posted January 16, 2016 Use keyboard to trim [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Youtube Reddit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sedenion Posted January 17, 2016 Share Posted January 17, 2016 The Trim work, but its amplitude is WAY too low to counter the asymetric payload effect... picht trim amplitude is very limited too. Trim for Yaw seem not working. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gospadin Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Hrm. I notice a different thing with trim. If I ever add any right/left aileron trim, it becomes impossible to center again. Almost like it's skipping over the middle position internally. My liveries, mods, and missions for DCS:World M-2000C English Cockpit | Extra Beacons Mod | Nav Kneeboard | Community A-4E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sedenion Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Hrm. I notice a different thing with trim. If I ever add any right/left aileron trim, it becomes impossible to center again. Almost like it's skipping over the middle position internally. A "recenter trim" command is missing anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiedDroit Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 A "recenter trim" command is missing anyway...Only if the real A/C has it. IIRC there's a trim panel that you use for that purpose (showing the trims positions), but no recenter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sedenion Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Only if the real A/C has it. ... IIRC there's a trim panel that you use for that purpose (showing the trims positions), but no recenter. The thing bellow L/G lights that have no precisions at all ? I hope mirage's pilotes have something better... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiedDroit Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 ... The thing bellow L/G lights that have no precisions at all ? I hope mirage's pilotes have something better... You don't trim according to the indicators, you trim according to how the aircraft flies, so the indicators should be enough. The only moment reset trim is needed is for take off, that's why some aircraft have a T/O trim button (like the A-10C) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sedenion Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 (edited) ... ( anyway, i know it's useless to debate with "realism enthusiasts" but... even if the "reset trim" command is implemented, you are not forced to use it... and, i don't think that would make huge difference during online games, between who use it, and who don't... but maybe it's very important to DON'T implement this command... because this is not realistic, but this is a logic that i can't handle... ) Edited January 18, 2016 by sedenion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IvanK Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Should we be feeling the effects of an asymmetric load ? If the FBW system is a roll rate rate demand and the pilot is demanding zero roll rate (stick lateral neutral) shouldn't the FBW system cater for the asymmetry ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiedDroit Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 (edited) ... ( anyway, i know it's useless to debate with "realism enthusiasts" but... even if the "reset trim" command is implemented, you are not forced to use it... and, i don't think that would make huge difference during online games, between who use it, and who don't... but maybe it's very important to DON'T implement this command... because this is not realistic, but this is a logic that i can't handle... ) You're funny :lol: If that makes you feel better, I won't care if it's implemented either. I got carried over explaining why it was not needed because IRL this is not how we trim. But you can have it if you want ;) In other words I'm not saying it shouldn't be done, I'm saying it is not missing. Edited January 18, 2016 by PiedDroit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sedenion Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 (edited) You're funny :lol: If that makes you feel better, I won't care if it's implemented either. I got carried over explaining why it was not needed because IRL this is not how we trim. But you can have it if you want ;) Chat échaudé craint l'eau froide... The "war for realism" and "against "Arcade"" becomes wired sometimes... (the fact is that i just can't hear the "realism" argument any more without being mad since some have some strange relation with this famous "realism") In other words I'm not saying it shouldn't be done, I'm saying it is not missing. Depend point of view... it's missing as "gameplay helper command" (my pov), it's not missing as "aircraft simulation feature" (your pov). I don't say i will use it... bt this is a pretty standard DCS command... Edited January 18, 2016 by sedenion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiedDroit Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 No worries :thumbup: Most FC3 A/C have it except except SU-25, can't tell about the others. Anyway, last time I fiddled with trim in the Mirage, I also found that it was extremely slow (to the point I stopped the game to check my bindings). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sedenion Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 I suspect that amplitude is in fact clamped... like if there is "one step" and no more... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gospadin Posted January 18, 2016 Share Posted January 18, 2016 Only if the real A/C has it. IIRC there's a trim panel that you use for that purpose (showing the trims positions), but no recenter. I don't need a recenter trim button. What happens is this: Trim is centered. I hit trim right one time. Plane is now banking slightly to the right. I hit trim left one time. Plane is now banking slightly to the left. There is NO WAY to actually center the trim left/right now, because moving back through center actually seems to skip the center position. I need to move through centered to include the centered trim position. --gos My liveries, mods, and missions for DCS:World M-2000C English Cockpit | Extra Beacons Mod | Nav Kneeboard | Community A-4E Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiedDroit Posted January 19, 2016 Share Posted January 19, 2016 Bug obviously... Can't help much here :cry: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnnaNass Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 A "recenter trim" command is missing anyway... I think the mirage has no center function (like the most airplanes) Yep, we have no IFF, no MWS, now we have no aileron trim. we have a big disadvantage agsinst flaming cliffs. Please fix this soon, at least for the next update. the servers getting more and more empty and more and more guys wont fly DCS anymore until we have a normal chance against flaming cliffs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PiedDroit Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 I think the mirage has no center function (like the most airplanes) Read previous posts about that remark :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnnaNass Posted January 21, 2016 Share Posted January 21, 2016 Read previous posts about that remark :D sorry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnlyforDCS Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Should we be feeling the effects of an asymmetric load ? If the FBW system is a roll rate rate demand and the pilot is demanding zero roll rate (stick lateral neutral) shouldn't the FBW system cater for the asymmetry ? This. I have not yet felt the need to trim this aircraft. It flies pretty much where I point the nose. Current specs: Windows 10 Home 64bit, i5-9600K @ 3.7 Ghz, 32GB DDR4 RAM, 1TB Samsung EVO 860 M.2 SSD, GAINWARD RTX2060 6GB, Oculus Rift S, MS FFB2 Sidewinder + Warthog Throttle Quadrant, Saitek Pro rudder pedals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScapaFlow Posted January 22, 2016 Share Posted January 22, 2016 Should we be feeling the effects of an asymmetric load ? If the FBW system is a roll rate rate demand and the pilot is demanding zero roll rate (stick lateral neutral) shouldn't the FBW system cater for the asymmetry ? IIRC the BMS F-16 also needs manual trimming for asymmetrical loads, so I guess was a limitation of FBW systems at the time (and now?) This. I have not yet felt the need to trim this aircraft. It flies pretty much where I point the nose. Try loading a fuel tank under one wing and bombs under the other :joystick: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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