Finally set up my K-4

[BSS_Vidar]

I've had it for a while and decided to finally set up my CH controls.

 

All I have to say about this thing is... "You've GOT to be kidding me"!!!

 

My first flight in this monster was devastating to any P-51 that was around me. I could evade, dis-engage and re-engage at will. I felt as if I were flying something decades ahead of the P-51... and I got board with it. There was no challenge.

 

Please tell me this beast is still in Beta and not finalized.

 

V

[rrohde]

Maybe you're some genius pilot, but I don't share that sentiment.

 

You must be Hans Herrmann Marseille reincarnate. ;)

[javelina1]

Maybe you're some genius pilot, but I don't share that sentiment.

 

You must be Hans Herrmann Marseille reincarnate. ;)

 

My thoughts too... ;)

[El Hadji]

Care to upload a track so that we common mortals can learn a thing or two perhaps?

[Kurfürst]

550 HP / ton vs 392 HP / ton at works...

[humptydumpty]

There is a video of a P-51 where the pilot says that the 109 was able to match his tactics when the 109 was on his six till he had to do a very dangerous maneuver to get the 109 off his tail.

 

Just search for P-51d on youtube.

Edited January 11, 2016 by humptydumpty

[Anatoli-Kagari9]

There is a video of a P-51 where the pilot says that the 109 was able to match his tactics when the 109 was on his six till he had to do a very dangerous maneuver to get the 109 off his tail.

 

Just search for P-51d on youtube.

 

Although yesterday at one of the servers, flying against a good p51d pilot, I had to pick the Fw190 instead and use B&Z to get him shot down....

 

Trying to dogfight with him was complex, and I crashed twice on the K-4 :-/

[humptydumpty]

Although yesterday at one of the servers, flying against a good p51d pilot, I had to pick the Fw190 instead and use B&Z to get him shot down....

 

Trying to dogfight with him was complex, and I crashed twice on the K-4 :-/

 

well that Mustang Pilot said that :). He did say the BF109 were easy targets. I will search for that vid on youtube and post the link here.

 

But when I am in the K4 I find her kind of slow in turns unlike the Dora.

 

Check the first two videos I am not sure which it was.

 

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=p-51d+mustang

 

I think it's the first video.

Edited January 11, 2016 by humptydumpty

[Anatoli-Kagari9]

well that Mustang Pilot said that :). He did say the BF109 were easy targets. I will search for that vid on youtube and post the link here.

 

But when I am in the K4 I find her kind of slow in turns unlike the Dora.

 

Check the first two videos I am not sure which it was.

 

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=p-51d+mustang

 

I think it's the first video.

 

Impressive!

 

Thx for sharing!

[BSS_Sniper]

What's with some of the smart a** replies? He made an observation and that's all you have? I agree with what he said and it's even worse if it's AI. Not just the flying, the DM. How long can a 109 spray coolant before it runs out? In game, it never stops. I won't go into it's climb rate.

 

And yes, he's a pilot, flies for a living, flew in the navy before that. So he's basing this off actual experience compared to most people in here, there computer experience.

[NineLine]

What's with some of the smart a** replies? He made an observation and that's all you have? I agree with what he said and it's even worse if it's AI. Not just the flying, the DM. How long can a 109 spray coolant before it runs out? In game, it never stops. I won't go into it's climb rate.

 

And yes, he's a pilot, flies for a living, flew in the navy before that. So he's basing this off actual experience compared to most people in here, there computer experience.

 

Maybe everyone should relax a little...

 

FYI, fluids leaks aren't tied to the systems as of yet, so no, you don't lose fuel or coolant that I know of.

 

PS, and feel free to go into the climb rate, we have been there, done that... nobody has disproved EDs data yet.

Edited January 12, 2016 by NineLine

[jester_]

Maybe everyone should relax a little...

 

FYI, fluids leaks aren't tied to the systems as of yet, so no, you don't lose fuel or coolant that I know of.

 

Well this explains a lot of the questions regarding the damage modeling I think.

[NineLine]

Well this explains a lot of the questions regarding the damage modeling I think.

 

Yes, many things need to be overhauled on the DM, its all known, they just need to find get to it, it will come in time.

[fastfreddie]

I don't think they were trying to be smart asses but if your making statements like your the Billy Bad Ass of 109's in your first flight expect some feedback. I wouldn't judge the 109 against AI P-51's or mediocre/poorly skilled Mustang pilots anyways. It is however quite capable against the Mustang in everything except high speed handling and possibly extended dives. I'm sure the Spitfire will shake some things up and hopefully the P-47 will make things interesting also.

[NineLine]

Yup, and I would love to see footage of someone that good out of the gates in the 109, I love the 109, so always cool to see an expert.

[javelina1]

Indeed, honest. Wasn't trying to be a SA. But it was a tall statement. No worries. Would love to see someone who's mastered the K-4 such as described.

 

My biggest issue is just building the muscle memory on my TM Hawg, to not over control this bird (and others). Without FFB, it's a bit of a tall order. But I'm getting there.

[ShadowFrost]

Did any of the P-51s try rolling with you? If they do just disengage the fight regain energy /altitude and then re-engage. It will also be a very different story when the Spitfire and P-47 are released...

 

Radiator leaks indeed should be modeled and ASAP, great thing about 109's is that a smart pilot knows to shutoff one or both wings to keep him in the air just a little longer (5 minutes if you don't push the engine was realistic for having both wings shutoff).

[BSS_Vidar]

Sorry for the tone in part of my assessment. I in no means was trying to pass myself off as "Mr 109". Hell, I flew it just once after a few free flights off-line! I was simply conveying where the 109 took me. I did not try to turn fight with Pony's. I stayed fast and climbed away if I missed - which was only once. The compact gunnery the 109 has makes it easy to shoot.

 

I noted the roll rate was slower than I had anticipate, and if you get into a high-steep dive, plan on compressibility taking you directly to your hole in the ground.

 

My issue is "DM aside, I realize that is incomplete now" with its acceleration, speed, and climb capabilities. The closure rates seem comparable to a Me-262 with the Pony instead of a fellow prop driven aircraft. The performance characteristics between the two airframes seem way too broad. Granted, the K4 was a LOT of airplane, but not THAT much.

 

V

[Sporg]

Sorry for the tone in part of my assessment. I in no means was trying to pass myself off as "Mr 109". Hell, I flew it just once after a few free flights off-line! I was simply conveying where the 109 took me. I did not try to turn fight with Pony's. I stayed fast and climbed away if I missed - which was only once. The compact gunnery the 109 has makes it easy to shoot.

 

I noted the roll rate was slower than I had anticipate, and if you get into a high-steep dive, plan on compressibility taking you directly to your hole in the ground.

 

My issue is "DM aside, I realize that is incomplete now" with its acceleration, speed, and climb capabilities. The closure rates seem comparable to a Me-262 with the Pony instead of a fellow prop driven aircraft. The performance characteristics between the two airframes seem way too broad. Granted, the K4 was a LOT of airplane, but not THAT much.

 

V

Well if you watch this video, 3:59 to 5:14, you will get a view from a guy that basically confirms that the gap is pretty wide, and given equally skilled pilots in both airplanes the 109 comes out stronger. ;)

 

[ame]

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(Video is about the guy helping with the flying in the movie "The Battle of Britain", and who ended up taking a good part of the aircrafts used as payment for his services.)

 

PS: Video link from this thread: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=158370

Edited January 12, 2016 by Sporg

[Solty]

Why do you have to listen to some guy in the US if you could just read about the ROC of each of those planes? And that ROC number might be true for a K4 without guns and ammo or a near empty Buchon :P. He isn't even a WW2 pilot. And he has a surplus of 109's to sell, so he makes them to be that awesome to sell them at the price he wants. At the end he said 'I don't want bargain hunters'.

 

http://www.aopa.org/News-and-Video/All-News/2014/August/Pilot/f_talltale

Edited January 12, 2016 by Solty

[Schnarre Aggro]

Sorry for the tone in part of my assessment. I in no means was trying to pass myself off as "Mr 109". Hell, I flew it just once after a few free flights off-line! I was simply conveying where the 109 took me. I did not try to turn fight with Pony's. I stayed fast and climbed away if I missed - which was only once. The compact gunnery the 109 has makes it easy to shoot.

 

I noted the roll rate was slower than I had anticipate, and if you get into a high-steep dive, plan on compressibility taking you directly to your hole in the ground.

 

My issue is "DM aside, I realize that is incomplete now" with its acceleration, speed, and climb capabilities. The closure rates seem comparable to a Me-262 with the Pony instead of a fellow prop driven aircraft. The performance characteristics between the two airframes seem way too broad. Granted, the K4 was a LOT of airplane, but not THAT much.

 

V

 

are these experiences against AI ? - If so - forget about that(just my 2cent) .... go Multyplayer and you will soon find out that there are many Humans piloting the Pony like an ace ... it becomes hard to stay at them, close in on them, aim at them and finally shoot at them ... the Ai is just good for a little aimtrain and adjusting you controls ....

tried it again some days ago ... takes about 2-5 turns then it is down ... no challlenge at all

[BSS_Vidar]

Off line free flight to get familiar with characteristics, on line dogfights on AGC server.

 

V

[otto]

I've had it for a while and decided to finally set up my CH controls.

 

All I have to say about this thing is... "You've GOT to be kidding me"!!!

 

My first flight in this monster was devastating to any P-51 that was around me. I could evade, dis-engage and re-engage at will. I felt as if I were flying something decades ahead of the P-51... and I got board with it. There was no challenge.

 

Please tell me this beast is still in Beta and not finalized.

 

V

 

When you were flying on jg27 server in formation of two.You didn't even know i was flying for the past 5 minutes in a 109 without ammo 5 meters on your six.

I only pushed the trottle to fly in front of you just for the fun of it. I got shot down because i was laughing so hard.

 

Oh and if you thing it's too easy give me your trackir and fly without headtracking like me and without rudder pedals.Maybe like that it will be more difficult for you.

Edited January 12, 2016 by otto

[NineLine]

Ok, this is getting a little too chit chatty for me... not sure its adding any value to this section. If there is an issue or problem, feel free to post it, or if you have videos of how good you are, we have threads and sections for those as well.