spiddx Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 IFF is not a priority? Where did you get that from? Specs: i9 10900K @ 5.1 GHz, EVGA GTX 1080Ti, MSI Z490 MEG Godlike, 32GB DDR4 @ 3600, Win 10, Samsung S34E790C, Vive, TIR5, 10cm extended Warthog on WarBRD, Crosswinds
Conroy Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 Where did you get that from? Maybe i didn't get the point (post 17). For my expierence, radar does work fine as for missile. I can wait considering i really love this Mirage, just give us an ETA for IFF.
NeilWillis Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 If only it was that easy Conroy. IFF is also a huge priority as far as I'm concerned. I'd love ETAs for everything, and I'd love everything to be released a year sooner than is humanly possible, with all the features complete and functional. Sadly, it isn't possible. We can however rely on the fact that RAZBAM are just as keen as all of us to complete this project. In answer to earlier posts, and I am not suggesting it is aimed at you at all Conroy. Some very simple definitions of what is Beta and what isn't, here is a rough rule of thumb for everyone as it currently stands in DCS World, and it is very straightforwards... Alpha = very incomplete Beta = incomplete Full release = complete Does anyone have any difficulty with that? If you don't like the Beta system as run in DCS World, then simply don't participate. 1
Conroy Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 (edited) Does anyone have any difficulty with that? If you don't like the Beta system as run in DCS World, then simply don't participate. Beta does mean also testing. Do you think is possbile to test Mirage in PvP without IFF? However i get the point. I just recall this feature because it's really needed for Mirage pilots. I've been surprised about the Super R530 capabilities. Mirage will be good enough online with IFF implemented, even if with two missiles only. Absolutely wonderfull, "one shoot - one kill" attacking from low altitude to higher targets. Edited January 25, 2016 by Conroy
jojo Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 Stock ED Super 530D missiles fly with drag chute attached to the point of having Fox 2 range and you find it's great ? There is a lot of work to do on the radar. Many more things than IFF. IFF will be done, it has been said already. Everyone has its own priority, what matters is full finale release, they can't make everyone happy at once. Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi
Farlander Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 Stock ED Super 530D missiles fly with drag chute attached to the point of having Fox 2 range and you find it's great ? There is a lot of work to do on the radar. Many more things than IFF. IFF will be done, it has been said already. Everyone has its own priority, what matters is full finale release, they can't make everyone happy at once. Very true, but i would think IFF is higher priority than radar features. Especially since the radar needs the IFF to effectively be useful, and the fact that the radar is working, the IFF isn't.. Anyhow, there is no hurry, i just won't fly the mirage on any combat missions right now..
Gladman Posted January 25, 2016 Posted January 25, 2016 The problem with the radar is that it only works in the angle the aircraft is heading. Its fixed. The lack of ability to move the antenna to a high or low angle severely limits the pilots ability to be combat effective. You can find targets but you have to flop around like a drunken sailor to do it. i9 9900K @ 5.1Ghz - ASUS Maximus Hero XI - 32GB 4266 DDR4 RAM - ASUS RTX 2080Ti - 1 TB NVME - NZXT Kraken 62 Watercooling System - Thrustmaster Warthog Hotas (Virpil Base) - MFG Crosswind Pedals - Pimax 5K+ VFA-25 Fist Of The Fleet [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic99190_2.gif[/sigpic] Virtual Carrier Strike Group 1 | Discord
StormBat Posted January 27, 2016 Posted January 27, 2016 The problem with the radar is that it only works in the angle the aircraft is heading. Its fixed. The lack of ability to move the antenna to a high or low angle severely limits the pilots ability to be combat effective. You can find targets but you have to flop around like a drunken sailor to do it. +1 in agreement. I use the RWR to id targets(fixed like you say)along with good ole Darkstar or Overlord, wizard etc etc pointing me in the right direction porpoising like a dolphin to get radar to pick it up... Having a working radar along with a working IFF would be the cats meow and make this module closer to the brilliance it knows it can and will be. Just have to wait for the awesome folks at Razbam to complete their Mona Lisa. It takes time, but the end result will be pretty epic I suspect. Thanks Razbam for all your efforts, love your hard work, time and energy you have put into this particular module. Keep it real and keep us happy even if it takes time to make it as real as possible without getting discouraged with every thought or opinion out there. Cheers. -Stormy X570S AORUS PRO AX MOTHERBOARD, AMD Ryzen 7 5800X3D 8-core Processor, GIGABYTE GEFORCE RTX 3090 TI, 64GB DDR4(Corsair Vengeance LPX), DARK ROCK PRO 4 250W TDP Heatsink, Corsair AX1600i Power Supply, 2TB SSD, Windows 10 64 Bit VR: HP Reverb G2, VIRPIL: VPC Constellation ALPHA Prim[R], VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Throttle, VPC MongoosT-50CM3 Base
QuiGon Posted January 27, 2016 Posted January 27, 2016 Guys seriously, they said IFF has a high priority but it depends on other systems like the radar which have to be developed first. The radar we have now is still not complete/final. Just be patient. Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
Gladman Posted January 27, 2016 Posted January 27, 2016 QuiGon serioulsy, we came in here to post our problems and rant a little. Don't try and be the mother hen, we just want to get it off our chests. :) i9 9900K @ 5.1Ghz - ASUS Maximus Hero XI - 32GB 4266 DDR4 RAM - ASUS RTX 2080Ti - 1 TB NVME - NZXT Kraken 62 Watercooling System - Thrustmaster Warthog Hotas (Virpil Base) - MFG Crosswind Pedals - Pimax 5K+ VFA-25 Fist Of The Fleet [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic99190_2.gif[/sigpic] Virtual Carrier Strike Group 1 | Discord
plaiskool Posted January 27, 2016 Posted January 27, 2016 Wich SIF mode guyz do you want to interrogate/respond and work with? :)
TomCatMucDe Posted January 28, 2016 Posted January 28, 2016 Guys seriously, they said IFF has a high priority but it depends on other systems like the radar which have to be developed first. The radar we have now is still not complete/final. Just be patient. do you have the link to this post? I think I missed it.
Oceandar Posted February 3, 2016 Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) So M2000 doesn't have IFF yet, no wonder in 104 server a week ago friendly M2000 spent all of his SARH missiles at me. Lucky me none of it hit. It really annoying ... Only the dead have seen the end of war - Plato Edited February 3, 2016 by Oceandar Mastering others is strength. Mastering yourself is true power. - Lao Tze
johnv2pt0 Posted February 3, 2016 Posted February 3, 2016 If only it was that easy Conroy. IFF is also a huge priority as far as I'm concerned. I'd love ETAs for everything, and I'd love everything to be released a year sooner than is humanly possible, with all the features complete and functional. Sadly, it isn't possible. We can however rely on the fact that RAZBAM are just as keen as all of us to complete this project. In answer to earlier posts, and I am not suggesting it is aimed at you at all Conroy. Some very simple definitions of what is Beta and what isn't, here is a rough rule of thumb for everyone as it currently stands in DCS World, and it is very straightforwards... Alpha = very incomplete Beta = incomplete Full release = complete Does anyone have any difficulty with that? If you don't like the Beta system as run in DCS World, then simply don't participate. Hilarious. You are wrong...you've been told this before. I'm not sure if you really don't understand or you have fun trolling people. Beta = feature complete...with the likelyhood of bugs. Look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle Do you have any difficulty with that? 1
Rlaxoxo Posted February 3, 2016 Posted February 3, 2016 Hilarious. You are wrong...you've been told this before. I'm not sure if you really don't understand or you have fun trolling people. Beta = feature complete...with the likelyhood of bugs. Look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle Do you have any difficulty with that? Please bro if you think Beta = feature complete go do me a favor and slap your self .... Beta 'equals' to "feature complete" ... sesh Things I'm hearing in this day and age so child-like Just because stupid companies began calling their games "Feature" complete when releasing as "Beta" they're not gonna make me believe that crap for a second Just another way for them to justify that their game is filled with "Bugs" that are "Features" but still in WIP Some games have been a BETA for years now Oh who am I trying to convince here I should know better Believe what you want I just gonna stop caring 1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Youtube Reddit
mattebubben Posted February 3, 2016 Posted February 3, 2016 Hilarious. You are wrong...you've been told this before. I'm not sure if you really don't understand or you have fun trolling people. Beta = feature complete...with the likelyhood of bugs. Look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Software_release_life_cycle Do you have any difficulty with that? Not all Betas are Feature complete... A beta is supposed to be for an incomplete product and to help the devs to find the problems by getting more testers. But the last few years more and more game devs/publishers had started using Betas like demos for their games a few weeks or months before release. Those games are pretty much completed and mostly Feature complete. But just because some Developers and Publishers missuse the beta name does not change its meaning. the M2000 is a True beta in that its mostly complete but still has a number of features and bugs it needs to fix.
0xDEADBEEF Posted February 3, 2016 Posted February 3, 2016 Oh boys really, beta or not, feature complete or not, it is really not that important. Let's calm down a bit and stay on topic, shall we?
Skitter Posted February 3, 2016 Posted February 3, 2016 (edited) Hilarious. You are wrong...you've been told this before. I'm not sure if you really don't understand or you have fun trolling people. Beta = feature complete...with the likelyhood of bugs. Look here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Softwa...ase_life_cycle Do you have any difficulty with that? Just citing your source, wikipedia. It says: Beta phase generally begins when the software is feature complete Generally = usually. Then... The process of delivering a beta version to the users is called beta release and this is typically the first time that the software is available outside of the organization that developed it. Beta version software is often useful for demonstrations and previews within an organization and to prospective customers. Some developers refer to this stage as a preview, preview release, prototype, technical preview / technology preview (TP),[5] or early access. Some software is kept in perpetual beta, where new features and functionality are continually added to the software without establishing a firm "final" release. Beta testers are people who actively report issues of beta software. They are usually customers or representatives of prospective customers of the organization that develops the software. Beta testers tend to volunteer their services free of charge but often receive versions of the product they test, discounts on the release version, or other incentives. Have you purchased the game with early access discount ? Yes, the game in Beta was discounted. Were you able to preview Beta version for Christmas ? Yes Edited February 3, 2016 by Skitter
Eddie Posted February 3, 2016 Posted February 3, 2016 Wich SIF mode guyz do you want to interrogate/respond and work with? :) They don't want realistic IFF, they want an arcade god mode that tells them who the baddies and goodies are. If DCS ever gets realistic IFF the number of complaints from certain elements of the community will be insane. Personally I view 'IFF' (assuming M4 interrogation, as it's the closest real world mode to what people here think IFF is) as a very low priority, missing RADAR and weapon system feature are far more important. You shouldn't need it, and plenty of fighters didn't have it and some still don't. 1
unknown Posted February 3, 2016 Posted February 3, 2016 They don't want realistic IFF, they want an arcade god mode that tells them who the baddies and goodies are. If DCS ever gets realistic IFF the number of complaints from certain elements of the community will be insane. Personally I view 'IFF' (assuming M4 interrogation, as it's the closest real world mode to what people here think IFF is) as a very low priority, missing RADAR and weapon system feature are far more important. You shouldn't need it, and plenty of fighters didn't have it and some still don't. I think mode 4 is the only one we need right now in DCS, but if we ever get an DCS AWACS module it would be nice to play around with some mode 1 and 2. :D Modules: KA-50, A-10C, FC3, UH-1H, MI-8MTV2, CA, MIG-21bis, FW-190D9, Bf-109K4, F-86F, MIG-15bis, M-2000C, SA342 Gazelle, AJS-37 Viggen, F/A-18C, F-14, C-101, FW-190A8, F-16C, F-5E, JF-17, SC, Mi-24P Hind, AH-64D Apache, Mirage F1, F-4E Phantom II System: Win 11 Pro 64bit, Ryzen 3800X, 32gb RAM DDR4-3200, PowerColor Radeon RX 6900XT Red Devil ,1 x Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 2TB NVMe, 2 x Samsung SSD 2TB + 1TB SATA, MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals - VIRPIL T-50CM and VIRPIL MongoosT-50 Throttle - HP Reverg G2, using only the latest Open Beta, DCS settings
Bogey Jammer Posted February 3, 2016 Posted February 3, 2016 IFF systems seem to be very classified. Even the DCS MiG-21bis has a quick modeled working IFF but the control panel operation is still obscure. In real life there should be just rules, shared flight routes, forbidden areas and ATC following flight progress to avoid doubts about unknown units identification. Currently over Syria we haven't heard about downed aircrafts by error yet. I doubt that Russian's IFF system is compatible with NATO's one, but I may be wrong. I'll buy : МиГ-23МЛД & МЛА МиГ-27К МиГ-25 Mirage III F-4E any IJ plane 1950' Korea Dynamic campaign module
Eddie Posted February 3, 2016 Posted February 3, 2016 but if we ever get an DCS AWACS module it would be nice to play around with some mode 1 and 2. :D We already have one. LotATC. ;)
Eddie Posted February 3, 2016 Posted February 3, 2016 IFF systems seem to be very classified. They aren't, not at all. The only 'classified' part is the IFF codes themselves, and they aren't needed.
unknown Posted February 3, 2016 Posted February 3, 2016 We already have one. LotATC. ;) This is proof that i'm not flying online, i just have no time. :cry: They aren't, not at all. The only 'classified' part is the IFF codes themselves, and they aren't needed. And the encryption of mode 4 i would guess, but never searched the internet if you can find how the pulses are encrypted/decrypted and you don't need to know this to emulate correct IFF. But as you said, the codes could be assigned by the mission builder to determine what flight is who and what it's doing, there is no need to know the RL IFF codes for these modes. Modules: KA-50, A-10C, FC3, UH-1H, MI-8MTV2, CA, MIG-21bis, FW-190D9, Bf-109K4, F-86F, MIG-15bis, M-2000C, SA342 Gazelle, AJS-37 Viggen, F/A-18C, F-14, C-101, FW-190A8, F-16C, F-5E, JF-17, SC, Mi-24P Hind, AH-64D Apache, Mirage F1, F-4E Phantom II System: Win 11 Pro 64bit, Ryzen 3800X, 32gb RAM DDR4-3200, PowerColor Radeon RX 6900XT Red Devil ,1 x Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 2TB NVMe, 2 x Samsung SSD 2TB + 1TB SATA, MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals - VIRPIL T-50CM and VIRPIL MongoosT-50 Throttle - HP Reverg G2, using only the latest Open Beta, DCS settings
Eddie Posted February 3, 2016 Posted February 3, 2016 I'm mainly referring to the M4/5 encryption codes, but yes the specific M1 & 2 codes would also be protected. My point really is that what each mode does isn't classified, and can be read about online. Even Wikipedia is correct.
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