Rare Loadouts

[Angel101]

Condor Antiship missile:

 

 

Harpoon:

 

Hawk Missile:

 

Harm:

 

Amraam:

 

 

Bonus a Bombcat:

 

 

 

:D:D:D

[Sporg]

Nice pics. :)

[EagleFox]

Would be great if they make it in the sim

[CheckGear]

Would be great if they make it in the sim

 

Why, so it can be like EA's U.S. Navy Fighters all over again?

 

These weren't "rare" loadouts - these were non-existent load-outs, at least when it came to operational units in the U.S. Navy. Notice, with the exception of the last photograph, they were all on Tomcats belonging to test and evaluation squadrons and the Iranian Air Force.

 

Want to shoot the AMRAAM, HARM, and Harpoon? Fly the Hornet.

Edited January 26, 2016 by CheckGear

[MethWolf]

Why, so it can be like EA's U.S. Navy Fighters all over again?

 

These weren't "rare" loadouts - these were non-existent load-outs, at least when it came to operational units in the U.S. Navy. Notice, with the exception of the last photograph, they were all on Tomcats belonging to test and evaluation squadrons and the Iranian Air Force.

 

Want to shoot the AMRAAM, HARM, and Harpoon? Fly the Hornet.

 

no fun allowed :(

 

(i wanna shoot the hawk)

[King_Hrothgar]

mmm, air to air SAM. Funny as it would be, I don't think the Hawk was ever operationally used by Iranian F-14's. So like the others, it doesn't belong on it.

[Tirak]

Why, so it can be like EA's U.S. Navy Fighters all over again?

 

These weren't "rare" loadouts - these were non-existent load-outs, at least when it came to operational units in the U.S. Navy. Notice, with the exception of the last photograph, they were all on Tomcats belonging to test and evaluation squadrons and the Iranian Air Force.

 

Want to shoot the AMRAAM, HARM, and Harpoon? Fly the Hornet.

 

 

[CheckGear]

no fun allowed :(

 

(i wanna shoot the hawk)

 

Oh no, quite the contrary. Fun is most definitely allowed, which is why I suggested the EA classic U.S. Navy Fighters. Jane's USNF '97 is the definitive version of it! :thumbup:

[turkeydriver]

If we allowed everything ever hung under a tomcat to be carried in the sim, then we've have to add all the crazy carl loadouts to the other jets too.....I'm not keen on seeing an F-16 with a tomahawk under each wing. let's simulate realism.

[Tirak]

The only question that should be asked is "Can It Be Fired". Not was it fired, not should it be fired, but is it possible. If the answer is yes, then it should be put on the plane.

 

That's my 2c anyway.

[ShuRugal]

Notice, with the exception of the last photograph, they were all on Tomcats belonging to test and evaluation squadrons and the Iranian Air Force.

 

Erm, the only two pictures showing IRIAF livery were the ones with the Hawk on the pylons (crazy bastards...)

 

The rest all show USN livery, except the one with the HARM, which is viewed from too close up to see any identifying marks.

[Tirak]

Erm, the only two pictures showing IRIAF livery were the ones with the Hawk on the pylons (crazy bastards...)

 

The rest all show USN livery, except the one with the HARM, which is viewed from too close up to see any identifying marks.

 

VX-4 used to be The Evaluators before they got folded in with VX-9, they're the Navy Test Squadron. Basically they're the guys who figure out tactics and ideas for new weapons being integrated into the Navy. Because of that, they also get to test the really weird stuff, which is why we have the cool loadouts shown here.

 

The real issue just comes down to Operational Use, vs Aircraft Capability, something that draws some pretty sharp lines in the sand on this forum.

[BlackLion213]

Erm, the only two pictures showing IRIAF livery were the ones with the Hawk on the pylons (crazy bastards...)

 

The rest all show USN livery, except the one with the HARM, which is viewed from too close up to see any identifying marks.

 

The US aircraft are definitely PTMC aircraft or VF-51 (last photo). The best clues are the pylons: mis-matched colors, orange fittings, the orange amraams, etc. Also, the first photo shows orange control surfaces on the aircraft, which is not PTMC, but still a test aircraft.

 

The last photo is a VF-51 Tomcat carrying Mk. 84s, that was not a PTMC aircraft, but a famous-ish operational test flight before VF-51 was disestablished in 1995. I think the photo dates to 1992.

 

The Tomcat was cleared to carry Mk.84s, but not the other weapons shown. It was almost equipped for the AMRAAM, but the Tomcat leadership used the funding allocated for AMRAAM integration to buy LANTIRN pods and finalize LANTIRN integration (a really good decision in retrospect - at least for expanding the Tomcat's useful capability).

 

I wouldn't care much if Leatherneck decided to offer weapons that were never operational, I simply would choose not to use them since I prefer more prototypical operations. However, making most of those weapons useful (excluding the AMRAAM) would require avionics upgrades and changes that the Tomcat did not have...there would be hang-ups.

 

Mt 2 cents,

 

-Nick

[OnlyforDCS]

The Amraam in this game is mostly a short range weapon anyway, albeit a very effective one, so you won't see me campaigning to have it installed on Leatherneck's F14. I don't care about the experimental weapons, what really interests me is how the AIM54 is going to perform, because all the current BVR weapons on offer in this game leave a lot to be desired.

[Grundar]

The Amraam in this game is mostly a short range weapon anyway, albeit a very effective one, so you won't see me campaigning to have it installed on Leatherneck's F14. I don't care about the experimental weapons, what really interests me is how the AIM54 is going to perform, because all the current BVR weapons on offer in this game leave a lot to be desired.

 

 

I tend to agree. Missile modelling in this game is quite poor as it stands - it's a persistant problem with DCS overall (at least with the jet modules it is) - add on to that the poor ECM features of DCS and it makes the BVR environment quite boring and rarely achievable.

 

SPAMRAAMS are short range use in this game as are the Russian missiles.

 

I'm hoping that LN pull a trick out of the bag and get the Phoenix working at it's intended range - though I can see big implications for multiplayer if that is achieved.

 

I'm more on the side of lets use what the Tomcat really used and not what it was tested with (though it would never hurt to have an option to use those extra things)

[Exorcet]

If we allowed everything ever hung under a tomcat to be carried in the sim, then we've have to add all the crazy carl loadouts to the other jets too.....I'm not keen on seeing an F-16 with a tomahawk under each wing. let's simulate realism.

Not really. What's on the F-14 has no bearing on anything else. Just like the MiG-21's semi-operational weapons have nothing to do with other modules.

 

I don't see the problem with adding weapons never operationally used. Just label them as such. By the nature of DCS it's all optional, and so won't do anything to realism. It would be nice to try to simulate interesting what ifs I think.

[Tirak]

Also, another amusing thought about the realism argument.

 

What if I want to fly as the test squadron? What if my idea of a fun mission is going up with these weapons and running them through their paces? It's no different than simulated Red Flag exercises when you think about it :megalol:

[Golo]

Also, another amusing thought about the realism argument.

 

What if I want to fly as the test squadron? What if my idea of a fun mission is going up with these weapons and running them through their paces? It's no different than simulated Red Flag exercises when you think about it :megalol:

 

Well as you can mod weapons loadouts on curent aircrafts, Im sure you will be able to do that on tomcat too.

Test squadrons were moding RL tomcat you can mod one in game.

 

I would rather have operationaly used loadouts only in official release.

[OnlyforDCS]

 

I'm hoping that LN pull a trick out of the bag and get the Phoenix working at it's intended range - though I can see big implications for multiplayer if that is achieved.

 

 

Has it been confirmed that Leatherneck will be doing the modeling for the AIM54 missiles, or is that up to Eagle Dynamics? Im asking this question because RAZBAM has stated that they themselves have very little say in missile modeling or parameters with their M2000C module. I understand that different rules apply to different 3rd parties, so this is a pretty important piece of information.

[Harpoon]

Oh no, quite the contrary. Fun is most definitely allowed, which is why I suggested the EA classic U.S. Navy Fighters. Jane's USNF '97 is the definitive version of it! :thumbup:

 

My dad's been yearning for a USNF/ATF remake for as long as I can remember. I still play Fighters Anthology regularly...somehow. :joystick:

[Harpoon]

I'm hoping that LN pull a trick out of the bag and get the Phoenix working at it's intended range - though I can see big implications for multiplayer if that is achieved.

 

I did pull off a 70 nm shot with the SFM AIM-54 the other day in the ISVA F-14A. It did well, but that was both head on and a large target.

[Justin Case]

Oh no, quite the contrary. Fun is most definitely allowed, which is why I suggested the EA classic U.S. Navy Fighters. Jane's USNF '97 is the definitive version of it! :thumbup:

Those were the days...:joystick:

[CheckGear]

Those were the days...:joystick:

 

 

Hard to believe there was once a time when flight simulations were an in-demand genre.

[Hummingbird]

An F-14 with Phoenixes AND Amraams? Haha, Russian fliers will be permanently flying low then :P

[Sweep]

An F-14 with Phoenixes AND Amraams? Haha, Russian fliers will be permanently flying low then :P

 

And thats where the Cats'll slap them in the merge, too!

 

:megalol: