King_Hrothgar Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 With the radar in reasonable working order, I've started flying this plane a fair bit and one thing I've noticed is the first 50% or so of control throw for both pitch and roll do basically nothing. This is independent of AA/stores mode and is even true with the FBW system effectively shut off. I was chatting with some other players last night about this on 104th and everyone seems to have the same experience. I was using a completely linear joystick curve with 0 deadzone on my X-55, but I've since put a -40% curve on it (super sensitive at center, less so further out) to try to make the in game control a bit more linear. Is this intentional? Is it a bug? Bit confused on this one as I don't think it handled that sluggishly back in December. It's also unique to the M2K.
gospadin Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 I've noticed the same thing. The FBW implementation seems to have a big deadzone in it, which is annoying because the transition out of the deadzone feels really unnatural. My liveries, mods, and missions for DCS:World M-2000C English Cockpit | Extra Beacons Mod | Nav Kneeboard | Community A-4E
King_Hrothgar Posted March 17, 2016 Author Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) 1.5.3 Edit: Just tested DCS2, it has the same issue. Edited March 17, 2016 by King_Hrothgar
winchesterdelta1 Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 I have the same. Controls feel sluggish. I don't know if it has to be like that. But for me it seems a little bit to much. Compared to the F-15 it's super slow in responding to joystick input. Same with the radar lock cursor. tried to speed it up a bit but no joy so far. Go in close, and when you think you are too close, go in closer.
Flia Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 Yes. Mirage responsivnes is really very small. Like flying with constant lag in fbw. Im using Thrustmuaster Warthog with linear axis. PC: i7 9700K, 32 GB RAM, RTX 2080 SUPER, Tir 5, Hotas Warthog Throttle, VPC MongoosT-50CM2 Base with VPC MongoosT-50CM2 Grip, VKB-SIM T-RUDDER PEDALS MK.IV. Modules : NEVADA, F-5E, M-2000C, BF-109K4, A-10C, FC3, P-51D, MIG-21BIS, MI-8MTV2, F-86F, FW-190D9, UH-1H, L-39, MIG-15BIS, AJS37, SPITFIRE-MKIX, AV8BNA, PERSIAN GULF, F/A-18C HORNET, YAK-52, KA-50, F-14,SA342, C-101, F-16, JF-17, Supercarrier,I-16,MIG-19P, P-47D,A-10C_II
Whisper Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 EDIT : nvm, I had not read OP properly Whisper of old OFP & C6 forums, now Kalbuth. Specs : i7 6700K / MSI 1070 / 32G RAM / SSD / Rift S / Virpil MongooseT50 / Virpil T50 CM2 Throttle / MFG Crosswind. All but Viggen, Yak52 & F16
Fox One Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 I also use the X-55 stick and for all fast jets I use some curve, at least for pitch. The Mirage is the only plane where I use negative curves for both pitch and roll, and I'm still quite annoyed by its unresponsiveness as described in posts above. Especially in pitch, it feels like you're flying a much much larger aircraft. The "nimbleness" is simply not there. My DCS videos
whaaw Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 I noticed this when i try to refuel in the air. I can refuel all planes without problems even in a orbit. The only plane i dont get it is the mirage she just wont fly straight. i tryd it with curves and max inputs but nothing helped, and i can refuel the f15c blind without pants and Upside down, while i sung the natinalhymne with 3 voices. Then i disabled FBW and damn refueling works much much better without FBW SFMBE
Azrayen Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 This is independent of AA/stores mode and is even true with the FBW system effectively shut off. FWIW, this is a misconception. You cannot shut off the FBW. That's the only way you have to control the aircraft. Sure, FBW incorporates degraded modes and can afford to loose some of its components (and associated functionnalities) but it would never be "effectively shut off"... or you would have one choice only: ejection ;) - - - - - About the "unresponsiveness", I can't comment as I haven't really flown the aircraft lately, mostly tested system head in the cockpit.
King_Hrothgar Posted March 17, 2016 Author Posted March 17, 2016 Most people use FBW to refer to a computer flying the aircraft with the pilot only giving high level instructions to it. It's also why I said "effectively turned off" instead of "turned off" without the disclaimer. As the M2K exists in game today, it is possible to disable all helpers and restrictors, thus granting full manual control. Back on topic, give the plane a try. It's really obvious just how much input you have to give it for anything happen. I can't believe it's accurate, no one could fly tight formations or hit something with the gun with it as is without a huge amount of extra practice compared to a more responsive design.
MoGas Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 I have the same. Controls feel sluggish. I don't know if it has to be like that. But for me it seems a little bit to much. Compared to the F-15 it's super slow in responding to joystick input. Same with the radar lock cursor. tried to speed it up a bit but no joy so far. Try: Saturation X,Y on 100 Deadzone on 0 Curvature on 0 Its FBW! :thumbup:
jcbak Posted March 17, 2016 Posted March 17, 2016 I'm using negative curve settings as well.....TM Warthog. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]WIN 10, i7 10700, 32GB DDR4, RTX 2080 Super, Crucial 1TB SSD, Samsung EVO 850 500GB SSD, TM Warthog with 10cm extension, TIR5, MFG Crosswind Pedals, Wheelstand Pro, LG 40" 4K TV, Razer Black Widow Ultimate KB[/size]
3rd Wing - Raiden Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 (edited) As the M2K exists in game today, it is possible to disable all helpers and restrictors, thus granting full manual control. I'm sorry to tell you that but that's not true. The switch FBW Disabled has been renamed FBW Gain mode for a reason. And that reason is, you can't bypass the FBW computer system. The FBW gain mode switch give you more control over the control surfaces but is recommended for a specific flight envelope. Flying at supersonic speed with FBW Gain mode ON is quite a rodeo, just give it a try. That doesn't answer your main question but it is important for you guys, Mirage pilots, to understand the FBW computer cannot be turned off or bypassed. As Azrayen says before, if FBW was really off (for any reason) your only option would be ejection. Edited March 18, 2016 by 3rd Wing - Raiden
VikingTsunami Posted March 18, 2016 Posted March 18, 2016 I just got the module yesterday, and I agree that the handling is very heavy and sluggish, does not feel like a nimble fighter at all. It's insane how much input you have to give the joystick. [sIGPIC]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic18896_1.gif[/sIGPIC]
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