SU-25 in V1.5.3

[Florida]

Noob here! Trying to get going with the default SU-25, and I have been watching the 10-part tutorial on YouTube, and trying to follow it. First of all, I have no idea how to station the aircraft in a bunker like the video (still reading the docs), so I picked the mission where you start the aircraft, take off and fly a route and land at another airport.

 

First thing I noticed was that the cockpit in the video and my cockpit are very different. Although I chose NATO, Imperial and English in the set-up, my cockpit is still all Russian. The cockpit in the tutorial is in English. All labels are Cyrillic. What is the difference between these two cockpits?

 

Secondly, the COMM menu (/) has different choices. I could find no choice to request taxi to the active. When I just taxied out to the same runway the tutorial was using, there was no runway numbers, either (26, in this case). Also, the radio instructions are in Russian, not English. ???

 

And lastly, when I first start up the flight, with the aircraft on the ramp, none of the controls work, starting with the mouse view control. Clicking Right Shift+L does not turn on the electrical power. I have to hit Esc, open up the Control menu, and click on any item, then close and go back to the cockpit before anything starts working. I do finally get the prompts in the upper right that instruct me on turning on the systems, starting the engines, taxiing out, etc.

 

I'd like to start flying this SU-25 and getting used to it, but I'm having a hard time just getting it to work. Any help would be grateful. Videos, tutorials, docs, anything.

[ricktoberfest]

SU-25 in V1.5.3

 

Not sure what videos you're watching but there are 2 versions of the su-25 in game. There's the free one and one that has been upgraded from flaming cliffs. The control issue seems like a bug and you might try running a repair on your install. Also depending on how old the videos are- a lot has changed in the past few months so they might be slightly out of date.

 

 

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[Apache600]

Everything is in Russian? Even the main menu options? I might just try a clean install of the STABLE version of DCS http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/downloads/world/ Click the middle, Orange one.

 

Also, the SU-25T is the aircraft that comes free with the download. The plain ol' SU-25 is a separate purchasable aircraft. The most striking difference between the two is that the SU-25T has the large TV looking screen on the right side in the cockpit.

 

Just like rick said, try doing a repair. You'll have to go to the start menu and find your DCS folder that way. Or do an uninstall, and re-install with the version I suggested.

Best of luck!

[ex81]

Hi Gary,

I downloaded DCS World a few month ago and I learned to fly the Su-25T by following the included tutorials, not the onces you find on YouTube.

The originals are easy to follow and give you a good feeling how to work and play with the Frogfoot.

I installed the german version and the instructor (talking english) is translated in form of a floating text in the upper right corner of the screen.

Everything in the cockpit is in russian no matter what you have chosen in the options part of the game. But this is not really bad `couse there is nothing clickable on the screen. I know a mod exists which changes everything into english. When you fly the Frogfoot, they always use metrs and kilometrs per hour. And towertalking will be russian, but readable in english in the upper left corner of the screen.

As has been said before, try a repair and follow the original tutorials.

ex81

[Camembert]

Gary,

 

If it is still important for you to start in a bunker you can create (like I did) a simple mission and select any airfield that has these then it's possible to place your Su-25T inside them. I did this to practice the whole start up, rearm, taxi, take off, wander around a bit and land thingy. Very basic but was useful to me.

 

Runway numbers haven't been around for a while. You can get the numbers from info on the map by clicking on the airfield.

 

As an aside I would be interested to know if your kneeboard works properly with the Su-25T? Mine is stuck on the first page.

Edited May 27, 2016 by Camembert

[Florida]

Everything is in Russian? Even the main menu options? I might just try a clean install of the STABLE version of DCS http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/downloads/world/ Click the middle, Orange one.

 

Also, the SU-25T is the aircraft that comes free with the download. The plain ol' SU-25 is a separate purchasable aircraft. The most striking difference between the two is that the SU-25T has the large TV looking screen on the right side in the cockpit.

 

Just like rick said, try doing a repair. You'll have to go to the start menu and find your DCS folder that way. Or do an uninstall, and re-install with the version I suggested.

Best of luck!

Well, I am uninstalling and re-installing, per your suggestion. Rather have the stable version, anyway. The Russian was all cockpit labels, and all verbal comms. The tutorial mission "hints" in the upper right were in English.

 

I was unaware that the "free" SU-25 was not a full version of the aircraft. The tutorials I have been following (10 of them) are by Robert Sogomonian and were posted in July of 2013. The A/C is way different than the default one, including a pilot's legs with kneeboards in the seat. And most of the lights and buttons are in English, not Cyrillic.

 

I will do the re-install and try to find the right A/C to get going again. I'll post my results as soon as I get finished. I really want to make this work,

[SkateZilla]

Well, I am uninstalling and re-installing, per your suggestion. Rather have the stable version, anyway. The Russian was all cockpit labels, and all verbal comms. The tutorial mission "hints" in the upper right were in English.

 

I was unaware that the "free" SU-25 was not a full version of the aircraft. The tutorials I have been following (10 of them) are by Robert Sogomonian and were posted in July of 2013. The A/C is way different than the default one, including a pilot's legs with kneeboards in the seat. And most of the lights and buttons are in English, not Cyrillic.

 

I will do the re-install and try to find the right A/C to get going again. I'll post my results as soon as I get finished. I really want to make this work,

 

Free SU-25 is an Su-25T

FC3 Su-25 is an Su-25A

 

There are Differences, So YT Videos for one or the other might differ in appearance of cockpit, especially if they were recorded prior to the Cockpit's 3D Model Update.

[Art-J]

Well, I am uninstalling and re-installing, per your suggestion. Rather have the stable version, anyway. The Russian was all cockpit labels, and all verbal comms. The tutorial mission "hints" in the upper right were in English.

 

I was unaware that the "free" SU-25 was not a full version of the aircraft. The tutorials I have been following (10 of them) are by Robert Sogomonian and were posted in July of 2013. The A/C is way different than the default one, including a pilot's legs with kneeboards in the seat. And most of the lights and buttons are in English, not Cyrillic.

 

I will do the re-install and try to find the right A/C to get going again. I'll post my results as soon as I get finished. I really want to make this work,

 

But it is a full version of an aircraft, just different variant than Su-25A which can be purchased separately. Actually, I'd call it "fuller", as it features weapons systems the -A doesn't have. And yes, it's absolutely the same plane Robert used in his series of tutorial vids (the best one for Su-25T there is, by the way). The pilot body is turned off by default, but You can turn it on with Right Ctrl + P (or Shift + P? I don't remember). Note - not all aircraft in DCS have the pilot body implemented.

 

English pit visible in the vids is a result of custom mod, You would've noticed if You read comments below part one :D. The mod should be easy to find by googling around. No reinstall necessary (a tip for the future - usually in DCS it's not necessary at all, as using repair command can take care of most of the issues).

[Florida]

Okay, guys, a few important questions: one, how do you un-install DCS World? I used the Uninstall menu choice, not the Windows one, and it said everything was uninstalled. Thnen I went and looked at my drive, and there was a DCS World folder with over 62 Gb of files. Everything was still there.

 

I deleted everything on the drive I could find that pertained to DCS, rebooted my machine and ran a registry check with CCleaner Pro, and cleaned the registry. Re-booted again. Good so far? I then downloaded the suggested "stable" files (http://www.digitalcombatsimulator.co...wnloads/world/) and after about 2 hours was ready to start over with the set-up.

 

When DCS loaded up, ALL of my previous settings were still there. Somehow, the install found my previous version and now the new one has the same settings. Not good. But I'll go with that, and see what happens. Load the SU-25 Mission to take off, navigate and land. Start the mission. Again, nothing is working. I open the Controls page, check things out, and close it, and finally, I can click on Right-Shift L and turn things on. Get the engines started, click on the "1" key to set the HUD for ENR mode.

 

Well, it's in ENR mode, but I'm showing "0" for the first waypoint (should be "1"). Taxi out to the runway, one notch of flaps, try to take off. Find out that I have to get this thing up to 300 kts just to get it off the ground. Wheels up, flaps up...waypoint still "0". Click on Left Ctrl ' to go to the next waypoint - nothing changes. Click several times on both Left Ctrl ' and Left Shift ' with no results. I can do a screen shot if you'd like.

 

Anyway, I'd really like to dump this whole thing because it's driving me nuts. I want to make it work, but I can't keep wiping and reloading this thing. Below is my system specs. I think I have enough machine to run this thing, but maybe not. I run FSX with tons of add-ons and complex aircraft and scenery, so I should be able to run this.

 

Summary

Operating System

Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1

CPU

AMD Phenom II X4 925 39 °C

Deneb 45nm Technology

RAM

8.00GB Dual-Channel DDR2 (5-5-5-18)

Motherboard

ASUSTeK Computer INC. M4N78 PRO (AM2/AM3) 43 °C

Graphics

DELL S2409W (1920x1080@60Hz)

1023MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 650 (EVGA) 30 °C

Storage

279GB Seagate ST3300822SCE ATA Device (SATA) 36 °C

186GB Western Digital WDC WD2000JD-00HBB0 ATA Device (SATA) 35 °C

279GB Seagate ST3300822SCE ATA Device (SATA) 31 °C

1GB SanDisk U3 Titanium USB Device (USB)

8MB SanDisk U3 Titanium USB Device (USB)

Optical Drives

HL-DT-ST DVDRAM GH24NS95 ATA Device

Audio

High Definition Audio Device

Operating System

Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit SP1

Computer type: Desktop

Installation Date: 9/15/2012 15:25:44

 

Windows Security Center

User Account Control (UAC) Disabled

Windows Update

AutoUpdate Disabled

Windows Defender

Windows Defender Disabled

Firewall

Firewall Enabled

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Antivirus Enabled

Company Name AVAST Software

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.NET Frameworks installed

v4.5 Full

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Version 11.0.9600.18124

PowerShell

Version 2.0

 

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[Art-J]

C:\Users\[Yout user name]\Saved Games\DCS\ is where the game stores all Your personalized config data (including controller and keyboard settings). Did You remove this folder? Installer/updater doesn't touch it for obvious reasons, so You have to remove it manually. If You didn't, it's possible that the game picked up the data from this location (it shouldn't, as separate folders for stable and open beta versions are the norm, but who knows?). And if these settings were somehow corrupted, You can reinstall the game all day long and it won't change a thing. Remove the aforementioned folder to really have a clean start.

 

Your PC is kind of OK to play DCS, it's most likely NOT a hardware issue. Sounds rather like messed up controls, or some file access - related problem. You didn't install the game in Program Files, did You?

[Florida]

All seems to be well now. Once again, I completely uninstalled the program, including the Saved Games\DCS folder. Again cleaned the registry. Again deleted anything on the drive pertaining to DCS. Although I had installed DCS to my C drive (not in Program Files), this time I put it on my D drive.

 

Fired up the game, went to Controls and deleted every entry for my Saitek rudder pedals and X-55 and CH controllers (the install seems to populate the controllers automatically with a bunch of duplicate entries, which I discovered this time around), and then meticulously entered the inputs I wanted. No duplicates, everything seems to be correct.

 

Start the mission, and...everything works!!! Although I can't figure out why. with one notch of flaps I have to be doing over 300 kts, and use the entire runway, to get an unloaded aircraft off the ground, it seems to be flying right. Nav worked, waypoints worked...and the autopilot flew me right into a mountain!!

 

Now I have to learn the rest of the controls and run the other training missions, and then I hope to be on-line shortly. Not bad for a wooly old vet, eh? Sometimes, I think I'm getting too old for this...but it's too much fun

[Art-J]

Glad to read that. Duplicate entries are always a problem when installing a new module or adding a new game controller. It's always worth spending a few minutes doing necessary clean-up in the controls menu, rather than loosing more time figuring out why something doesn't work.

 

Back up the input folder from SavedGames on C: drive, so You don't have to reassign all this stuff again if You ever need to reinstall in the future (most likely You won't, as using repair option is much easier method of fixing DCS).

 

As for the 3D pilot in cockpit, I've read in another thread that it appears not to be working nowadays because of some new, reported bug, so You'll have to skip this little feature, at least for now.

[Florida]

Glad to read that. Duplicate entries are always a problem when installing a new module or adding a new game controller. It's always worth spending a few minutes doing necessary clean-up in the controls menu, rather than loosing more time figuring out why something doesn't work.

 

Back up the input folder from SavedGames on C: drive, so You don't have to reassign all this stuff again if You ever need to reinstall in the future (most likely You won't, as using repair option is much easier method of fixing DCS).

 

As for the 3D pilot in cockpit, I've read in another thread that it appears not to be working nowadays because of some new, reported bug, so You'll have to skip this little feature, at least for now.

Thanks, Art! I a little ADHD, if you know what I mean, and I tend to jump in with both feet and mess things up royally, and then spend hours, days, or sometimes weeks, fixing things. This time around, it was all compounded by the fact that I had already downloaded a much earlier version of DCS (probably over 2 years ago), and I didn't bother to blow it away and start from scratch. SO - the new version went over the old one, and the rest is history. Now that I've started from absolute scratch, I think things will flow smoothly.

 

Next article of business - can you recommend any payware modules that won't break the bank? I was interested in the A-10 (aren't we all), but I still don't know all about what to buy, and what works with what. I want to get on-line ASAP and join in the fun, but then I don't want to be flying a P-51 when everyone else is flying the latest jets.

 

Off we go, into the wild blue yonder...:pilotfly:

[Art-J]

Unfortunately, the massive discounts we were taking advantage of 2 years ago are no longer there, so choosing modules while on limited funds requires careful planning nowadays.

 

It's difficult for me to recommend something, as I'm offline flyer only, and I buy only the planes I'm very interested in, no matter if they make sense in current DCS or not. So no, I don't have A-10C or any modern machines for that matter, but buy all oldschool instead.

 

Your concept of buying A-10C is reasonable. It's one of the oldest modules, so its relatively cheap now and keeps you busy for years - that's the impression I get from people who own it. The fact that it's fully clickable with crapload of systems and requires studying a few-hundred pages long manual to master it might be intimidating for You though. So there's always Flaming Cliffs 3 package with simplified avionics (Su-25T level). It contains a simplified A-10A, It costs peanuts and the planes from it are very popular online.

[Florida]

Well, regarding the A-10, I fly the A2A P-51 Mustang, and the PMDG 737NGX and 777, so I'm way familiar with complex systems. I'm more interested in simulations than games, as far as the aircraft go. Someone turned me on to War Thunder, and I tried it out, but the aircraft are so arcade-style that it totally turned me off.

 

I like the idea of actual aircraft systems in combat, something that I haven't experienced yet, and after watching some of Froogle's DCS videos on YouTube, it looks like the way to go. The only thing I don't like so far is that everything is keyboard. I have a lot of X-55 switches and buttons assigned to the various cockpit functions, but I wish I could point-and-click the mouse on the cockpit areas to make them work.

 

So far, I've only flown off-line, although a few of my aircraft are dual-control (can be flown by two people over a network). I thought it would be fun to participate in some on-line gaming for a change. I have done some Call of Duty on-line gaming, so it might be the same.

 

Anyway, thanks for the input. I'll probably go with the A-10, which is a modern favorite of mine.

[Art-J]

Haven't seen Froogle's vids, but once again - only A-10A is "all keyboard", while A-10C is point and click (well, You can assign functions to keys & buttons, but You'll run out of keys & buttons :D). Plenty of things for Your mouse, buttons, rotaries, hats and keys to operate. Sounds like You should go for -C then indeed.