F-4U Corsair actually will fit into a theater without Japanese adversaries...

[Jaktaz]

In the Korean War, the F-4U was used extensively, along with the P-51 (in a ground attack role) A Korean theatre would be very cool, and would give the Sabre and Mig-15 something to do, while opening up a lot of new possibilities, even with modern planes. (Mig-21, F-18, F-14, A-10c, etc.)

 

I would still love Japanese warbirds to be added as their aesthetic and characteristics fascinate me

[Skjold]

The problem is the setting, its either modern or WW2/Korea and therefor wouldn't fit for both.

[sim_guy]

We need to have some 3rd party Devs concentrate soly on the WW2 theatre because it is dying slowly, and painfully. Its a shame too

[NeilWillis]

How do you work out that WW2 is dying when there are so many releases lined up?

 

It may not be happening as quickly as any of us want, but it IS happening, so maybe you ought to reconsider your statement!

 

Now, shall we get back on topic?

[Hiromachi]

How do you work out that WW2 is dying when there are so many releases lined up?

 

You mean the single and only Spitfire IX ?

 

Cause else then that nothing is "lined up", F4U is postponed temporarily as Cobra said in their latest upate. VEAO has no credibility being unable to deliver a single piston engine aircraft since forever. So for now only one to deliver modules is ED, and as hard as Yo-Yo is working I think we all learnt by now that it takes months if not years to release following modules.

 

It may not be happening as quickly as any of us want, but it IS happening, so maybe you ought to reconsider your statement!

Bf-109 K-4 went into early access mode on December 4th, 2014. Count how long that is ... and possibly reconsider your statement.

 

Now, shall we get back on topic?

Sure, I see no point in going into development with no Japanese adversaries considering its already planned to make Iw-Jima and Okinawa. So They will be there, most likely first as Ai and soon after first Japanese module (A6M ?) will be released.

 

I'm sure LN guys know what they are doing.

[Fer_Fer]

How do you work out that WW2 is dying when there are so many releases lined up?

 

It may not be happening as quickly as any of us want, but it IS happening, so maybe you ought to reconsider your statement!

 

Now, shall we get back on topic?

 

Wasn't the P-40F postponed twice already?

[NeilWillis]

No, not just 1 Spitfire, 2 of them, the P-40F, the Jug, B-17, and the F-4U.

 

Forgive me for sayong so, but in what way exactly does that show a "slowing down"?

 

And no the P-40F has never had a concrete release date, so how do you work out that it has been postponed twice? It's development was always subject to the EFM being completed, and clearly, right now all the effort has gone into the Hawk. The P-40F will arrive, but patience has always been needed when it comes to releases.

 

Now, back to topic!!!

[Hiromachi]

No no. One Spitfire. VEAO is not going to deliver their Spitty any time soon. P-40 F ... yeah, I've lost my hope long ago. P-47 D is in development since 109 K-4 was released and not much updates we had on that one. F4U is postponed. So not sure why you name them all. Just because they are declared to arrive at some point it doesnt really mean they will be any time soon.

 

In a way that in 2014 everything went quicker after D-9 and K-4 were available for players. Since then nothing has changed in terms of number of ww2 modules released.

 

And no the P-40F has never had a concrete release date, so how do you work out that it has been postponed twice? It's development was always subject to the EFM being completed, and clearly, right now all the effort has gone into the Hawk. The P-40F will arrive, but patience has always been needed when it comes to releases.

Sure sure, its an object of unspecified properties and unknown date of release. Might be sold as well under the name "Something".

 

And please, that hypocrisy, you are the one going hard OT. Not even a single sentence related to the topic.

[Danneskjold]

In the Korean War, the F-4U was used extensively, along with the P-51 (in a ground attack role) A Korean theatre would be very cool, and would give the Sabre and Mig-15 something to do, while opening up a lot of new possibilities, even with modern planes. (Mig-21, F-18, F-14, A-10c, etc.)

 

I would still love Japanese warbirds to be added as their aesthetic and characteristics fascinate me

 

The F4U-5 was used a lot, not the F4U-1 / F4U-1D. Even though it's a gigantic jump up in performance from the -1D, no one will gladly sign up to be slaughtered by migs.

[Hummingbird]

One of the reasons I had hoped for an F4U-4 instead of a -1, it just makes a lot more sense considering the other WW2 aircraft already available.

 

Btw, if I'm not mistaken ED will be working on the Me262 & P-47D after they've released DCS 2.5, the F/A-18C & Spitfire IX.

[NeilWillis]

No no. One Spitfire. VEAO is not going to deliver their Spitty any time soon. P-40 F ... yeah, I've lost my hope long ago. P-47 D is in development since 109 K-4 was released and not much updates we had on that one. F4U is postponed. So not sure why you name them all. Just because they are declared to arrive at some point it doesnt really mean they will be any time soon.

 

In a way that in 2014 everything went quicker after D-9 and K-4 were available for players. Since then nothing has changed in terms of number of ww2 modules released.

 

 

Sure sure, its an object of unspecified properties and unknown date of release. Might be sold as well under the name "Something".

 

And please, that hypocrisy, you are the one going hard OT. Not even a single sentence related to the topic.

 

You are utterly wrtong in your assumptions, but I am not going to indulge you in yet another debate.

 

I responded to a very incorrect statement, and as far as I am concerned, we were already off topic by discussing anything but the F-4U.

 

There are 2 Spitfires coming despite your biased assumptions, and along with the other WW2 stuff in the pipeline (I forgot to mention the Wildcat too there!) and as such, to suggest there is a slowdown in WW2 modules is absurd. We have 3, and we're getting at least 2 more before the end of the year, with many more in the pipeline.

 

That is the end of the debate. Now can we return to the real subject?

[westr]

I've actually flown the P-40F at duxford. Using the oculus rift. It's up its running, it looks great. It will get released and it can't be too far away.

[Hiromachi]

One of the reasons I had hoped for an F4U-4 instead of a -1, it just makes a lot more sense considering the other WW2 aircraft already available.

 

Btw, if I'm not mistaken ED will be working on the Me262 & P-47D after they've released DCS 2.5, the F/A-18C & Spitfire IX.

 

Yes Hummingbird, that would make sense if you aim to compete with 109 K-4. But if I'm not mistaken they never fought. So from historical and immersion point of view there was no reason for LN to take into consideration German modules released by ED.

 

At the same time F4U will have competition in A6M5 model 52, Type 1 Model 3, Type 4, Type 5 and N1K2-J fighters. Neither of those would really be a fair opponent for F4U-4, not to mention that there weren't that many dash 4s in direct combat. I think I've explained somewhere in the other thread that until the last days of the war American carrier attacks were escorted by F6F-5 and F4U-1c and F4U-1d.

When I tried to check the combat records I couldnt find a single operation in which F4U-4s participated. They did somewhere else, but overall their impact was minor if compared to dash one.

[Jaktaz]

And I'm pretty sure the Jug is being developed by ED, possibly being farther along then Spitfire.

[Nerd1000]

Yes Hummingbird, that would make sense if you aim to compete with 109 K-4. But if I'm not mistaken they never fought. So from historical and immersion point of view there was no reason for LN to take into consideration German modules released by ED.

 

At the same time F4U will have competition in A6M5 model 52, Type 1 Model 3, Type 4, Type 5 and N1K2-J fighters. Neither of those would really be a fair opponent for F4U-4, not to mention that there weren't that many dash 4s in direct combat. I think I've explained somewhere in the other thread that until the last days of the war American carrier attacks were escorted by F6F-5 and F4U-1c and F4U-1d.

When I tried to check the combat records I couldnt find a single operation in which F4U-4s participated. They did somewhere else, but overall their impact was minor if compared to dash one.

Corsairs did serve in Europe (with the Fleet Air Arm) so german planes are relevant at least to some degree. I don't think they saw much action against enemy aircraft though.

 

As it is, the F4U should be an admirable fighter-bomber even if it cannot deal with the likes of the Kurfurst and the Dora.

[5tuka]

I really don't mind much about aircraft balance and think even the F4U-1d will do just fine. If I'm not mistaken it should be faster than the P-51 down low and not shabby at high altitude, either. High speed manouvrebility is another advanatge over the 109. Overall I think it will be pretty much compareable to the Dora.

[Fer_Fer]

You are utterly wrtong in your assumptions, but I am not going to indulge you in yet another debate.

 

I responded to a very incorrect statement, and as far as I am concerned, we were already off topic by discussing anything but the F-4U.

 

There are 2 Spitfires coming despite your biased assumptions, and along with the other WW2 stuff in the pipeline (I forgot to mention the Wildcat too there!) and as such, to suggest there is a slowdown in WW2 modules is absurd. We have 3, and we're getting at least 2 more before the end of the year, with many more in the pipeline.

 

That is the end of the debate. Now can we return to the real subject?

 

ED's Spitfire and Jug are on track,

the Bearcat, Wildcat, P40F and their Spitfire, are, for all intents and purposes, in Limbo until further notice, and i should remind you that the P-40F was supposed to go into Pre order status September of last year, so Hiro has a valid point.

[Hiromachi]

Corsairs did serve in Europe (with the Fleet Air Arm) so german planes are relevant at least to some degree. I don't think they saw much action against enemy aircraft though.

 

Yes, Fleet Air Arm operated Corsair MK I to MK IV (so dash 1 to dash 1D [name depending on version and manufacturer] ) while the proposition was to introduce F4U-4. That's quite a bit different aircraft by all means.

 

And Corsair service in Europe was delicately saying ... minor. Providing escort in Operation Tungsten, but according to various combat and post-combat reports Corsairs never encountered Luftwaffe fighter opposition on any of these raids.

 

After the Norwegian operations, FAA Corsairs switched operations to the Indian Ocean to fight the Japanese forces.

[MiG21bisFishbedL]

Corsairs vs. Mustangs. Football War. Let's do it.

[viperdogsnake]

I've actually flown the P-40F at duxford. Using the oculus rift. It's up its running, it looks great. It will get released and it can't be too far away.

 

Can't wait

[BSS_Sniper]

We need to have some 3rd party Devs concentrate soly on the WW2 theatre because it is dying slowly, and painfully. Its a shame too

 

This and the more that BoS/BoM leans toward being a game vs combat sim, the more we are looking forward to and needed DCS to fill the gap that was supposed to be the new IL2. I hope DCS continues with a WW2 theater/aircraft. There are many WW2 flight simmers feeling left out by what is going on in the IL2 series.

[Hummingbird]

I really don't mind much about aircraft balance and think even the F4U-1d will do just fine. If I'm not mistaken it should be faster than the P-51 down low and not shabby at high altitude, either. High speed manouvrebility is another advanatge over the 109. Overall I think it will be pretty much compareable to the Dora.

 

The Corsair would easily outturn the P-51, so I think the Corsair would be more akin to a 109 to be honest.

 

IMHO the F4U was USA's best fighter of the war, and one of the top 3 prop fighters of the war.

[Hummingbird]

Yes Hummingbird, that would make sense if you aim to compete with 109 K-4. But if I'm not mistaken they never fought. So from historical and immersion point of view there was no reason for LN to take into consideration German modules released by ED.

 

At the same time F4U will have competition in A6M5 model 52, Type 1 Model 3, Type 4, Type 5 and N1K2-J fighters. Neither of those would really be a fair opponent for F4U-4, not to mention that there weren't that many dash 4s in direct combat. I think I've explained somewhere in the other thread that until the last days of the war American carrier attacks were escorted by F6F-5 and F4U-1c and F4U-1d.

When I tried to check the combat records I couldnt find a single operation in which F4U-4s participated. They did somewhere else, but overall their impact was minor if compared to dash one.

 

The F4U-4 saw plenty of combat for 6 or months AFAIK, and would also be a nice match up for something like the Ki-84 or N1K2-J. The K-84 was marginally slower at low to medium alts, and probably turned better than the Corsair.

[Hiromachi]

That shows you actually dont know much about Japanese aircraft.

 

Neither of those really was a match for F4U-4, Ki-84 was actually quite a bit slower down low and only a bit less at medium altitudes. And while it would outturn Corsair (with 17 sec turn time) it wouldn't really save it.

 

Also, I went through the whole H. Sakaida monograph of 343 Ku, titled "Genda's Blade", not a single combat was recorded between N1K2-J and F4U-4.

[Hummingbird]

That shows you actually dont know much about Japanese aircraft.

 

Neither of those really was a match for F4U-4, Ki-84 was actually quite a bit slower down low and only a bit less at medium altitudes. And while it would outturn Corsair (with 17 sec turn time) it wouldn't really save it.

 

Down low was where the Ki-84 really shined in terms of performance, the higher it went the more it lost out in terms of performance when compared with the american fighters.

 

On full boost the Ki-84 was capable of impressive speeds at low altitudes.

 

Also, I went through the whole H. Sakaida monograph of 343 Ku, titled "Genda's Blade", not a single combat was recorded between N1K2-J and F4U-4.

 

How were Japanese pilots ever supposed to see the difference between a -1 and a -4 in the middle of combat? Not gonna happen.

 

Either way the F4U-4 saw heavy action in the last months of the war, many times engaging Japanese fighters.