Rhinozherous Posted June 5, 2016 Posted June 5, 2016 Hey Pilots! Do you think it is easier to dogfight in a F86 Sabre than in a P51? For my question imagine a fight vs the typical enemy (Sabre vs MiG15 - P51 vs Bf109) I asked myself this question because I thought it must be easier because the F86 has more power and agility, so to say it is easier to control... At this time I train vs AI and have the feeling it is harder in the P51 - I think about getting the Sabre for jet-dogfighting. Thank you for your opinion :idea: i7-14700KF 5.6GHz Water Cooled /// ZOTAC RTX 4070 TI Super 16GB /// 32GB RAM DDR5 /// Win11 /// SSDs only DCS - XP12 - MSFS2020
WinterH Posted June 5, 2016 Posted June 5, 2016 P-51 vs Bf-109 and F-86 vs MiG-15 are probably 2 thoughest AI match ups in DCS :). But with some practice it gets fun. Wishlist: F-4E Block 53 +, MiG-27K, Su-17M3 or M4, AH-1F or W circa 80s or early 90s, J35 Draken, Kfir C7, Mirage III/V DCS-Dismounts Script
Exorcet Posted June 5, 2016 Posted June 5, 2016 The F-86 is easier to fly and has a better gun sight. I would say overall it's easier than the P-51. However as WinterH said, the MiG-15 AI is difficult. If you are in a F-86 vs MiG-15 fight, you can still have your hands full. Awaiting: DCS F-15C Win 10 i5-9600KF 4.6 GHz 64 GB RAM RTX2080Ti 11GB -- Win 7 64 i5-6600K 3.6 GHz 32 GB RAM GTX970 4GB -- A-10C, F-5E, Su-27, F-15C, F-14B, F-16C missions in User Files
SUBS17 Posted June 5, 2016 Posted June 5, 2016 I have both F-86 and P51D and the F-86 is easier to dogfight with as the sight uncaged with radar is a big help. The other thing is the torque of the P51D prop and the engine management required makes the P51D a handful to dogfight with. A good aircraft to practice against is the SU25 when flying the F-86 the AI can be a handful with the Mig15. [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC]
badbud Posted June 5, 2016 Posted June 5, 2016 I have to go with the F-86 as well as others for the same reasons. But still enjoy and do well (with a lot of practice) with the P-51. BadBud
VIKBELL Posted June 5, 2016 Posted June 5, 2016 Speed and over G in the sabre is a big hurdle. There are 2 categories of fighter pilots: those who have performed, and those who someday will perform, a magnificent defensive break turn toward a bug on the canopy. Robert Shaw
Rhinozherous Posted June 6, 2016 Author Posted June 6, 2016 That where my thoughts, especially about the torque of the mustangs prop in a dogfight. I didnt know that the AI in the MiG is a hard one, very interesting! As I purchase the Sabre anyway (collect them all :thumbup: ) I think I will do more dogfighting training in it, maybe I can take some experience someday to the P51. I also will fly it online, I never tried it because of the expected short life time... but maybe I can spot a MiG pilot who is the same level like me :D i7-14700KF 5.6GHz Water Cooled /// ZOTAC RTX 4070 TI Super 16GB /// 32GB RAM DDR5 /// Win11 /// SSDs only DCS - XP12 - MSFS2020
SUBS17 Posted June 9, 2016 Posted June 9, 2016 Speed and over G in the sabre is a big hurdle. You need to G-warm up prior to the dogfight.:smilewink: [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC]
Lenux Posted June 10, 2016 Posted June 10, 2016 does the Albatros L39 ZA has a chance in a dogfight, against F86 / MiG 15?? I9 12900k@ 5 GHz | 32 GB DDR4 | Asus ROG Strix Z690-A Gaming Wifi d4| RTX 3090 | 6 TB SSD + 8 TB HDD | 4K Samsung Q90R 55" | VKB MK III PRO L | Virpil Throttle MONGOOST-50 | MFG Crosswind | TrackIR5
some1 Posted June 10, 2016 Posted June 10, 2016 No, unless it sneaks from behind and fires a missile. But it's much slower so will have trouble even catching up. Hardware: VPForce Rhino, FSSB R3 Ultra, Virpil WarBRD, Hotas Warthog, Winwing F15EX, Slaw Rudder, GVL224 Trio Throttle, Thrustmaster MFDs, Saitek Trim wheel, Trackir 5, Quest Pro
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