AlphaOneSix Posted June 17, 2016 Posted June 17, 2016 AH-1Z weighs more than an Apache. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_AH-1Z_Viper https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_AH-64_Apache Only when they are empty. AH-64 can carry a bit more.
Emu Posted June 17, 2016 Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) Proven in combat? Yes, very much so, just not on a helicopter. It is however likely to be a good fit, you'll see why (it will look very familiar).:D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brimstone_(missile) Air Chief Marshal Sir Stephen Dalton has said that 98.3% to 98.7% of Brimstone fired in Libya "did exactly what we expected". The 500th dual-mode Brimstone was delivered in March 2012,[11] at which time over 200 had been fired in combat. The single-mode missile was not fired in combat until 15 September 2011 when a pair of RAF Tornado GR4 of IX(B) Squadron fired 22 missiles (including a salvo of 12 by one aircraft) against an armoured column near Sebha/Sabha, 400 miles south of Tripoli. It's also been extensively tested on Reapers. Edited June 17, 2016 by Emu
SimFreak Posted June 17, 2016 Posted June 17, 2016 Yes, very much so, just not on a helicopter. It is however likely to be a good fit, you'll see why (it will look very familiar).:D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brimstone_(missile) It's also been extensively tested on Reapers. Actually starting to think about it...I vaguely remember watching Brits using them in Iraq. Wasn't that impressed since I think warhead size is smaller and it doesn't frag very well. But those weren't tanks so it doesn't matter. So ...which ever chopper carries Hellfire/Brimstone is the winner :D
Darkbrotherhood7 Posted June 17, 2016 Posted June 17, 2016 AH-1Z weighs more than an Apache. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bell_AH-1Z_Viper https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_AH-64_Apache Yeah, but the AH-64 can carry way more weight than the Viper. Mission: "To intercept and destroy aircraft and airborne missiles in all weather conditions in order to establish and maintain air superiority in a designated area. To deliver air-to-ground ordnance on time in any weather condition. And to provide tactical reconaissance imagery" - F-14 Tomcat Roll Call [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Rogue Trooper Posted June 17, 2016 Posted June 17, 2016 (edited) From a true equal war perspective; The AH-64D is a superb machine (bettered by the WAH-64D). It's radar mounted on top of the rotor is superb. It can sector scan to reduce its radar emission broadcast (but I guess all modern radar coppers can do this). Whether the radar can deal with ground clutter effectively is another question that is unknown to me. The chopper needs to expose its airframe to bring its optics into play. Hellfire is slower than some missiles and is not king dick when it comes to range but LOAL/LOBL ain't bad for sure... loves me LOAL me. Cannon has superb range of movement and the 30mm calibre "chain gun" sounds good initially until the bullet and powder weight is revealed... It is no slouch that is for sure. A chopper that had a great design goal from the get go. The KA-52 could have been superb with the initial design; radar in the nose and optics on top of the pilots canopy. Optically it would need to expose its two rotors and airframe top to visually sight and lock targets. Optic ball position limits downward depression due to sitting above and behind the pilots canopy.... I personally could live with this limitation. Missiles do not compensate for low altitude concealed release that benefits such an arrangement (an easy fix :D). May as well set up the sensor suite the opposite way around to the MI-28 I says! Whole airframe needs to be exposed to use radar. Great missiles... really... great missiles. Lacks direction for its Spec ops purpose and all other optic/radar placement/options compromise something. The original design was in the correct direction for me (as noted above), would be my favourite due to its added manoeuvrability. Cannon is 30mm with a bullet and cartridge size that ensures the Kannon to be a top notch gun of fear, loathing and death. The MI-28 is for sure a tank with rotors, it is built to survive... I thought the AH-64 was good in this respect... but no it simply is not so when compared to the MI-28. Radar I have no idea but it is in the right place. Optics in the same place as the AH-64..... Quality? Missiles are great and a variety of missiles. Cannon has the apaches range of movement with the Kamov's destructive fire power. slow manoeuvrability is my guess!?! A chopper design based on the AH-64 with a bit more firepower and survivability. It may not be an Apache E but could it possibly be equivalent to a D? I simply do not know much about the Tiger to comment Edited June 17, 2016 by Rogue Trooper HP G2 Reverb (Needs upgrading), Windows 10 VR settings: IPD is 64.5mm, High image quality, G2 reset to 60Hz refresh rate. set to OpenXR, but Open XR tool kit disabled. DCS: Pixel Density 1.0, Forced IPD at 55 (perceived world size), DLSS setting is quality at 1.0. VR Driver system: I9-9900KS 5Ghz CPU. XI Hero motherboard and RTX 3090 graphics card, 64 gigs Ram, No OC... Everything needs upgrading in this system!. Vaicom user and what a superb freebie it is! Virpil Mongoose T50M3 base & Mongoose CM2 Grip (not set for dead stick), Virpil TCS collective with counterbalance kit (woof woof). Virpil Apache Grip (OMG). MFG pedals with damper upgrade. Total controls Apache MPDs set to virtual Reality height. Simshaker Jet Pro vibration seat.. Uses data from DCS not sound... goodbye VRS.
Hummingbird Posted June 18, 2016 Author Posted June 18, 2016 Ka-52 carries its optics & laser below its nose:
Emu Posted June 18, 2016 Posted June 18, 2016 (edited) Actually starting to think about it...I vaguely remember watching Brits using them in Iraq. Wasn't that impressed since I think warhead size is smaller and it doesn't frag very well. But those weren't tanks so it doesn't matter. So ...which ever chopper carries Hellfire/Brimstone is the winner :D The warhead is the same weight. It is HEAT, as are some variants of the Hellfire - same warhead I think. A frag could be fitted. The range is significantly greater. Edited June 18, 2016 by Emu
WinterH Posted June 18, 2016 Posted June 18, 2016 Ka-52 carries its optics & laser below its nose: I believe that's why Rogue Trooper said as initially designed. Some of airframes before serial production had optics turret above the canopy. Like these : But serial ones aren't like this anymore. Note this one also lacks additional pylons under stub wings for Iglas, and has a small additional ball/turret under it's nose, which may be another optic sensor, but it looks like what I assume to probably be MLWS sensor as seen on newer Ka-52s and Mi-35Ms. I think at some point, Ka-52 prototypes even had a small radar above mast, which didn't make it to production ones either. I guess it does have a rather sizable radar in that nose though does it? To be fair though, while the feature is popular among scout helicopters, for some reason, the only attack helicopter which has it's optic sensors located above the rotor is German Tiger UHT, at least the only one that I know of. There are others with a radar above rotor mast like Longbow Apaches or Mi-28N but, optics, I don't know any other than Tiger UHT. All the others have them somewhere around nose, either on, above, or below. At the end of the day though, as much as I love them (honestly, as DCS modules I'd prefer them by far), I wouldn't rate Russian attack helicopters as high as newest top of the line ones from Western sources. Yes they have good features too but, overall weaponry and possibly sensor quality are favoring Western helos. Wishlist: F-4E Block 53 +, MiG-27K, Su-17M3 or M4, AH-1F or W circa 80s or early 90s, J35 Draken, Kfir C7, Mirage III/V DCS-Dismounts Script
StandingCow Posted June 18, 2016 Posted June 18, 2016 I don't know which is best... but I want them all in DCS! 5900X - 32 GB 3600 RAM - 1080TI My Twitch Channel ~Moo
WinterH Posted June 18, 2016 Posted June 18, 2016 I don't know which is best... but I want them all in DCS! Can't argue with that :D I mean, who wouldn't? :D Wishlist: F-4E Block 53 +, MiG-27K, Su-17M3 or M4, AH-1F or W circa 80s or early 90s, J35 Draken, Kfir C7, Mirage III/V DCS-Dismounts Script
Steel Jaw Posted June 18, 2016 Posted June 18, 2016 Airwolf /Thread. No, my brother, Longbow. Can't even be any debate. "You see, IronHand is my thing" My specs: W10 Pro, I5/11600K o/c to 4800 @1.32v, 64 GB 3200 XML RAM, Red Dragon 7800XT/16GB, monitor: GIGABYTE M32QC 32" (31.5" Viewable) QHD 2560 x 1440 (2K) 165Hz.
Hummingbird Posted June 18, 2016 Author Posted June 18, 2016 I believe that's why Rogue Trooper said as initially designed. Some of airframes before serial production had optics turret above the canopy. Ah, didn't catch that he said initially. Yeah the first prototypes did feature it up over the canopy.
Emu Posted June 19, 2016 Posted June 19, 2016 No, my brother, Longbow. Can't even be any debate. Lacks supersonic ability.
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