[RESOLVED]annoying ground load micro pauses -SOLVED

[adrianstealth]

this also happens in the version 2.0 vegas map

 

flying closer to ground objects (towns hoses etc) there is very very distracting micro pauses whilst these load ,

 

I'd be happy for them to be gone completely or somehow block the detail loading

 

i have 16gb ram, i7 4.8ghz, gtx 1080

 

this happens no matter what settings, I run with no AA & everything else pretty much low

apart from this i get decent performance

 

 

 

any idea's ?

 

19-7-16 SOLVED WITH THE INSTALLATION OF A PCI SOLID STATE HARD DRIVE,

 

I STILL FEEL DCS SHOULD NOT LOAD TRIVIAL DETAIL DURING FLIGHT!

I HAVE 16GB OF RAM

Edited July 20, 2016 by BIGNEWY
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[Pitot]

1. PCI Latency setting in BIOS may be too low or too high. (Google about it, my shift is ending, no time to explain in-depth)

2. Check your Page File size. Microsoft recommend it to be 150% of your available physical RAM.

3. Check for fragmentation of your Hard Drive via built in Windows® Tools.

4. Check speed of your HDD. If it is a slow HDD, or "Intelli Power" or something like that with variable speeds, that may present problems too.

Some additional data, system logs etc. could be helpful too.

[adrianstealth]

big thanks pilot

 

tried all of these things with zero sucess

 

various option testing in bios, defrag hard drive, deleted and new install of DCS

 

.....when i fly around its the load micro pauses spoiling the experience

..then i fly around same section and none as its all on the memory (i have 16mb fast memory) even if i exit to menu and go back in its still in memory and smooth

 

i have a high end pc, use iracing and no trouble there, just in DCS

I'm starting to think its a software fault???

[zahry]

big thanks pilot

 

tried all of these things with zero sucess

 

various option testing in bios, defrag hard drive, deleted and new install of DCS

 

.....when i fly around its the load micro pauses spoiling the experience

..then i fly around same section and none as its all on the memory (i have 16mb fast memory) even if i exit to menu and go back in its still in memory and smooth

 

i have a high end pc, use iracing and no trouble there, just in DCS

I'm starting to think its a software fault???

 

nope, it's the GTX 1080 and nvidia driver problem. I have the same issue. I recently swapped from r9 295x2 (no issues) and the gtx1080 is noticeably slower and has micro stutters when you get close to the ground. (but it is still faster than the 980Ti - the 980Ti has no stutter).

[adrianstealth]

I'm sending the 1080 back and gone back to my gtx Titan -same problem

 

my friend has similar PC with a 980ti -same problem

[zahry]

could be a driver issue then, have you tried some older ones?

[Necroscope]

Guys, this is general engine issue. Just waiting ED to take care.

[adrianstealth]

Hi massive thanks for response, yes tried current & last few drivers with a 1080 & a Gtx Titan

 

If it's a broken software engine then that's pretty dam serious as it's such an immersion killer

The devs need to give this very very high priority

 

No point in buying content if the main software will not run fairly smooth

Happy to run on low settings even with high end hardware but nothing is getting rid of this problem

 

I'd be happy to leave PC for 10 minutes if there was some time if pre-load of all pause ground items or switch off these pointless items

 

Either way it's a massive downfall in DCS that is otherwise a brilliant sim

[BitMaster]

Guys, this is general engine issue. Just waiting ED to take care.

 

So you say we all should suffer the same shortcoming ?

 

I dont think I had any stutter last few hours in MP, not that I can remember.

 

 

 

Calling it High End and not having a SSD is not correct, the nice GPU and CPU u have could really use a fast SSD, or two !

[Necroscope]

So you say we all should suffer the same shortcoming ?

I dont think I had any stutter last few hours in MP, not that I can remember.

Calling it High End and not having a SSD is not correct, the nice GPU and CPU u have could really use a fast SSD, or two !

 

Yep, more or less. Will you notice it or not - depends on many factors like your personal perception, FPS, system load, flying altitude, scenery and so on. It's quite visible for me flying Ka-50 on few meters high and looking sideways. Try search forums for "stuttering", there a lot of opinions.

From my experience - SSD doesn't affect this.

[adrianstealth]

its a nightmare

[Necroscope]

its a nightmare

 

No, it's not. :)

Don't give up!

[Dave317]

I'm getting this too on the latest beta build. Not much fun flying the gazelle with it stuttering every few seconds.

[adrianstealth]

its þe biggest immersion killer ever

 

the only time I've seen this before was in Arma 2 (exactly same issue) I gave up on that

 

forcing a pc to start loading from hard drive mid-scene is no no surely?

 

we need to be able to switch off what ever it is thats loading, I'm not interested in that close up detail anyway and cant even see it when at distance

Edited June 25, 2016 by adrianstealth

[zahry]

the latest update might have fixed it. I'll have a look tonight if it is just wishful thinking or not :)

[bkthunder]

I have it, very noticeable in the last OB (1.5.4). I have an Ati so it's not Nvidia related ;)

[adrianstealth]

are the devs aware of this ???????

[adrianstealth]

getting a 1080 gamer X tomorrow

 

if I'm happy with that I'll order a PCI solid state drive and continue to test but for DCS I'm not holding up much hope

 

ps its only DCS that has this problem

[adrianstealth]

cpu at 4.8ghz (water cooled)

 

new fresh windows 10 install & all updates

 

bran new gtx 1080 gamer X with latest drivers (also tried previous)

 

and problem still exists

[KLR Rico]

I've beven trying to eliminate the microstutters from the A-10 standalone on up, and never got them to go away. Beer is the only thing that really works.

[Pitot]

I did notice that GTX users complain more about micro stutters, as I said on some other similar thread... As for 1080, dunno what to say. Older models - try older drivers if it worked better earlier (I know DCS was updated, not the drivers, but still...)

 

I am, again, presuming (like I think others are) that if it's not GPU driver issue, that you have a major bottleneck.

 

BTW You're welcome :)

[firmek]

There can be also different types of the stutter. There are micro pauses when the environment is being loaded - this is usually noticeable when turning the head. This one is much more apparent with latest 1.5.4 update - but this is more of an engine optimization thing rather than something that we could help much on our side.

Another type of stutter can more of a micro stutter - noticeable mostly all time even with high FPS.

For this one what usually helps (not only in DCS) is disabling the V-Sync, setting Tripple Buffering to off. The highest impact on the improvement however for me (NVIDIA card) had the setting of "Maximum number of prerendered frames". Usually lowering the value to 1-2 was removing the micro-stutter. Another option to play with that can affect the micro-stutter is "threaded optimization".

[droopy114]

There can be also different types of the stutter. There are micro pauses when the environment is being loaded - this is usually noticeable when turning the head. This one is much more apparent with latest 1.5.4 update - but this is more of an engine optimization thing rather than something that we could help much on our side.

Another type of stutter can more of a micro stutter - noticeable mostly all time even with high FPS.

For this one what usually helps (not only in DCS) is disabling the V-Sync, setting Tripple Buffering to off. The highest impact on the improvement however for me (NVIDIA card) had the setting of "Maximum number of prerendered frames". Usually lowering the value to 1-2 was removing the micro-stutter. Another option to play with that can affect the micro-stutter is "threaded optimization".

 

Isn't threated optimisation for multi GPUs config?

[adrianstealth]

Thanks for responses , I'm referring to the micro pauses whilst ground objects are loaded

 

My PC smoothly scored a 17000+ on firestrike benchmark last night and is running other titles

brilliantly .....except DCS due to its pause-load problem

 

Be good if here were an option to turn off this loading -I prefer incomplete detail textures as I don't really stare at particular ground objects anyway

 

Incredible the devs let this happen , happens on my PC + my other less powerful PC

[Enduro14]

Ya it is annoying as is no true sli features in this engine yet. Oh well guess patience is key....