Mig-29

[Rabb]

Using mig29 is like shooting yourself in the foot for the most part. It has a really low fuel load and a really low chaff/flare load. it also carries slightly less missiles but its non issue most of the time anyway.

 

What it has for advantages is better acceleration and speed then a su27. it is considerably faster and accelerates better. But when you do full throttle you lose all your fuel in 5 seconds.

 

Hmmm.

 

You should read this:

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/how-to-win-in-a-dogfight-stories-from-a-pilot-who-flew-1682723379

 

An excellent read. And pay attention to conclusions regarding Mirage 2000C... Have in mind, though, that he flew an export (so called "monkey") model of MiG-29. For instance, EOS in true (Russian) MiG-29 can track a target from a really far distance. The moment target enters clouds, EOS would automatically switch to radar lock. Figure that.

 

Radar wise, he compared it to contemporary western radars. Which is not nearly what we experience in game...

[Beamscanner]

Hmmm.

 

You should read this:

http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/how-to-win-in-a-dogfight-stories-from-a-pilot-who-flew-1682723379

 

An excellent read. And pay attention to conclusions regarding Mirage 2000C... Have in mind, though, that he flew an export (so called "monkey") model of MiG-29. For instance, EOS in true (Russian) MiG-29 can track a target from a really far distance. The moment target enters clouds, EOS would automatically switch to radar lock. Figure that.

 

Radar wise, he compared it to contemporary western radars. Which is not nearly what we experience in game...

 

LOL, no. (the read was good, yes. But you misinterpreted what he said.)

 

The radar has similar dog fighting modes to western radars, beyond that they are extremely different.

 

Also, as you've seemed to keep posting this, the MIG-29 (as he states) is not competitive outside of WVR (inferior radar, RWR, BVR missiles, cockpit design, automatic control limits pilot input).

 

The MIG-29 is competitive in a knife fight, with its great acceleration, maneuverability, and R-73 missiles/HMS.

 

Also, the 1980s Russian designed EOS is not capable of detecting aircraft beyond a couple miles. The system is seen as a secondary sensor, meant to support passive intercepts with ground controlled intercept (GCI) and to back up the radar against receding targets which the radar struggles to detect, due to poor design choices (guard antennas for side-lobe cancelation attached to frame of jet instead of radar gimbal).

 

If anything the DCS version is superior, with the laser range finder measuring out targets at 30+ miles.

Edited November 21, 2016 by Beamscanner

[probad]

Is it worth Learning & Practicing in order to take her to MP?

anything is worth taking into mp if you are determined to succeed with it.

[Esac_mirmidon]

We are talking about a very old outdated Mig-29A.

 

Now they have Mig-35´s, Mig-29K.

 

Is like talking about the F-16A as a whole when today we have F-16C Block 50+. Totally different machines.

 

But yes in DCS the Mig-29A is inferior, outdated and a poor BVR fighter.

[metzger]

Mig-29s can shoot r-77s and is able to track and shoot 2 targets at a time. With awacs or gci it is capable bvr. Yeah r77 is unlikely to hit the target but that's another story..

 

Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk

[Schmidtfire]

BVR is a strong term in any DCS aircraft atm, missiles are not what they should be. But R-77 can get you a kill in the 15-20km range. (Seriously, who designs an expensive ahr missile with under 20km effective range?) As a few others wrote, WVR is Mig29 territory and with great acceleration and the current missiles, you shouldn't have to much trouble mergeing, unless spammed by 4+ AiM-120C's.

[MaxDamage]

We dont really know how good is BVR irl but at least this fc3 bvr improves gameplay.

[Rabb]

Beamscanner, I was referring only to "The radar was actually pretty good and enabled fairly long-range contacts." Similar to comparisons I had read many years ago and which stated that detection range was similar to then F-16's radar. Of course, F-15's was superior to both. And I also understood the downsides he explained.

 

Export military technology is regularly downgraded. In that sense, I thought about EOS and its true capabilities.

 

Oh, I posted that twice. Sorry.

[Seaeagle]

On BVR capabilities, one of the Luftwaffe pilots who flew the MiG-29 described the N019 radar as having comparable range performance to the AN/APG-65 radar(that they had in their upgraded F4s), but that it was more cumbersome to use and harder to locate targets with when operated independently(without GCI support).

 

They also found the R-27R missile to be very short ranged, but otherwise having good performance characteristics.

[Mowgli]

About my second question : "doesn't the right MFD show radar display of the radar cone ahead? like in the Flanker where I can see friend & bogie ?"

 

Am I missing a keycomb or this feature isn't implemented in the current Mig-29?

 

Thanks

[Sweep]

About my second question : "doesn't the right MFD show radar display of the radar cone ahead? like in the Flanker where I can see friend & bogie ?"

 

Am I missing a keycomb or this feature isn't implemented in the current Mig-29?

 

Thanks

 

They got rid of the Flanker-like display - It's only a HUD repeater now.

[probad]

About my second question : "doesn't the right MFD show radar display of the radar cone ahead? like in the Flanker where I can see friend & bogie ?"

 

Am I missing a keycomb or this feature isn't implemented in the current Mig-29?

 

Thanks

its not implemented irl

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=171212

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=158228

[Beamscanner]

We are talking about a very old outdated Mig-29A.

 

Now they have Mig-35´s, Mig-29K.

 

Is like talking about the F-16A as a whole when today we have F-16C Block 50+. Totally different machines.

 

MIG-29As account for the majority of the operational FULCRUMs in use today, followed by the S, B, G; all of which use the same radar/RWR/EOS (yes the S has a modified SLOTBACK radar, but it's performance is the same). Only 3 MIG-35s and ~60 or so MIG-29Ks exist right now, most of which are owned by India.

 

So I really don't see your point.

[Esac_mirmidon]

My point is they are constructing MORE advance and MORE numbers of the Mig35 and 29K. There are 24 Mig-29K contracted and the 100th Separate Carrierborne Fighter Regiment is reactivated right now with 12 Mig´s.

 

Also there are another two Mig-29SMT regiments with a total of 44 SMT ( 28 from Algeria that were rejected and another 16 from Russian MoD contract ).

 

And another contract for Mig-35 in 2016 for a total of 37 Mig-35´s.

 

So my point again is talking about the Mig-29A is "pointless" it´s not the main frontline interceptor in Russia. Is relegated by more advance replacements all over Russia like the Mig-29SMT, Su-27SM, and Su-35.

 

And also the new comming Mig-35 and Mig-29K and KUB are replacing the former Mig-29A and S fleet.

 

You take my point now?

 

Is like talking about the F-18C when right now the Navy are using the F-18E/F.

Edited November 23, 2016 by Esac_mirmidon

[Schmidtfire]

I might be a bit out of line, but on a modern battlefield MiG-29A would mostly be used for ground-attack or escorting something like Su-25's in a medium-low threat environment.

 

Btw, is it correct now that we can use ER and ET's on the MiG29A model? Didn't use to be that way, anything more advanced than R27R/T or R73 was MiG29S territory...

[red_coreSix]

No, that question was discussed a couple of pages of ago already. The 9.12 could carry long and short-burn R-27s.

[Seaeagle]

 

Btw, is it correct now that we can use ER and ET's on the MiG29A model? Didn't use to be that way, anything more advanced than R27R/T or R73 was MiG29S territory...

 

I don't know what ED is up to in this respect, but the only air-to-air weapons the real MiG-29(9.12 and 9.13 for that matter) is compatible with are the R-60M, R-73 and R-27R.

 

The first MiG-29 version capable of using IR and extended range versions of the R-27 + R-77 was the multirole MiG-29M(9.15) in development from the mid eighties. When development of this version was suspended(in 1992), MIG applied these weapons to a MiG-29(9.13) through a radar/WCS modification and designated the new variant "MiG-29S"(9.13S).

Edited November 23, 2016 by Seaeagle

[MaxDamage]

Carrier borne Mig29k/kub used in Syria have a land scan radar. Capable of detecting ground attack targets at 110 km. Ground attack radars are such a nice thing to have you can see the target miles away and plan your attack.

[Esac_mirmidon]

Indeed.

 

MIg-29S (9-13S) from Algeria.

 

 

[Seaeagle]

Carrier borne Mig29k/kub used in Syria have a land scan radar. Capable of detecting ground attack targets at 110 km. Ground attack radars are such a nice thing to have you can see the target miles away and plan your attack.

 

Yes or more specifically, they have an entirely new radar("Zhuk-M") with air-to-surface modes, but also much more capable in air-to-air.

[MaxDamage]

Which plane has better acceleration, rate of climb, top speed, thrust to weight at 0-5 km?

 

Mig29A or F15C?

Edited November 23, 2016 by MaxDamage

[Esac_mirmidon]

I think F-15,Mig-29,F-15,Mig-29.

[OverStratos]

Which plane has better acceleration, rate of climb, top speed, thrust to weight at 0-5 km?

 

Mig29A or F15C?

 

I can´t comment on speed right now (I´m on memory), but on all other parameters, the mig-29 is superior clean and at combat weight.

[Schmidtfire]

New HUD-filter in latest patch! Like the Su-27, press rshift+H

[AnkH_82]

Stupid beginner question: in my key assignment menue, I can select from three different Mig 29, however, all I have been sitting in so far ingame was the Mig 29A. There are key assignments for a Mig 29S and a Mig 29G, but how can I fly them? And why the heck I have to adjust my "HOTAS" assignments three times for the same aircraft?