Several small issues with the pig

[BlueAngel]

Hi all. Let me tell you first I'm loving this flying pig. It's a learning process but I'm getting the hang of it. I just need some help with some small issues I'm having:

 

1- Are the MK-82 AIR so imprecise? I keep trying several modes (CCRP or CCIP 3/9) but the bombs are too imprecise. These are the only dumb bombs I keep missing the target.

 

2- Do you need to paint the target with NWS for the GBU-10/12? They some times fly beyond the target and miss it.

 

3- What is the mininum angle I can shoot a Maverick? I noticed that when I am at least 30º angle from the target, even with lock the missile will drop but miss the target. Do I need to be pointed at the target to shoot (The F18 doesn't require a direct approach).

 

4- In night operations using NVGs, how do I set up the MFDs so that the white text (like NOT SOI) don't blind the rest of the image? I can adjust brightness, contrast and all that, but the letters are always too bright.

 

5- Is there a way to adjust the digital clock brightness individually? Whenever I adjust instrument brightness for the front panel the clock turns bright green and is unreadable.

 

6- Why does, every time I touchdown on the runway and vacate it, after a little while there's a master warning, the MFD's blink and then return to normal? Is this normal?

 

7- How do I setup SADL Ownship and Group IDs?

 

8- Is it possible to assign targets to other planes (AI and MP Players)? A small tutorial would be awesome.

 

Additional quick question, out of pure curiosity: Why aren't there Radar missiles for the A10C? Those SA-12 would be history quickly.

Edited June 29, 2016 by BlueAngel

[BlueAngel]

Also, is there any way to set up a second screen to place the MFDs?

[Braeden108]

1. I can't really speak to the accuracy of the Mk-82 air but I can say is maybe you're dropping them too high? They're meant to be dropped very low to the ground. Which is why they're high drag, as to not damage the aircraft when they detonate.

 

2. NWS is Nose Wheel Steering, I assume you're refering to the fact that the laser is on the same button as the NWS. Firstly make sure you're using the latch mode for the laser. That can be turned on by going to the control page and switching latch to On. This will make it so when you press the lase button the laser will stay on when you let go of the button. Then press it again to turn it off.

 

You're probably missing high because you're pointing the targeting pod directly at the target. This can cause issues firstly because the A-10 doesn't know the truck is there, so if you tell it to shoot at the truck when the truck is in the center of the screen it will make a GPS mark point behind the truck where the pod is looking. To counteract this I recommend aiming at the base of the truck, somewhere on the ground around it. (This is important for GPS guided weapons too, more critical even.) This is also key because if you over fly the target with the targeting pod aimed at the target directly the laser will begin painting the opposite side of the truck, obscuring the laser from the view of the GBU, (Yes DCS is that realistic.) To counter this I aim out in front of the target, where the laser won't be obstructed when I overfly. However this doesn't work for armor because it requires a direct hit. In that case find some flat spot on the vehicle, turret or engine deck, where the laser wont be blocked.

 

3. The camera of the Maverick can only slew/gimbal so far. It will come off the rail and fire but the missile's camera is probably at max gimbal, causing it to lose track because it can no longer see the target. The only way to fix this is to not do it. Mavericks are a stand off weapon, meant to be fired from a distance. Look up how to make and use mark points, make a markpoint on your target fly out get some space between you and the target then fire. Mavericks are deadly accurate when used right. I've had maybe 2 miss in my 4-5 years flying.

 

4. You can set the MFCD (multifunctional control display) to night mode. However, you can't really look at the displays and have the NVG's on. You can look in your controls and find how to adjust the gain of the goggles to make the screens less intense. (Might be something like rctrl rshift h?) However, like I said white text is always gonna blind you. You can make the map less blinding by changing the map mode from auto to off. So it's just green lines and symbols no color map. (I actually do this day or night for visibily and because the color map doesn't do me much good anyhow)

 

5. I wish. I've never found a way. Might be able to mod the textures?

 

6. That happens to me too, I have no idea why. I wouldn't worry about it.

 

7. Goto the TAD on the right side hit NET then you'll see OWN ID and GROUP ID punch in your digits. (side note I highly recommend binding the UFC (up front controller) keypad to your numpad.)

 

8. I'm a little rusty on how to do this, look up data linking in the A-10. But I think it goes something like set your SPI to a target then go to the TAD and slew over the aircraft you want to datalink to and press send which will appear on the right side of the TAD on one of the OSB buttons. Though a better way to do this (faster) is to broadcast your SPI which is DMS left long. A big purple line will come out of your plane on the TAD and other people can hook your SPI, the downside is if you move your TGP the line will move too, and so will your wingman's TGP so your wingman should definitely make a markpoint there so you can look at something else.

 

Radar missles: It would be kick ass if there was, but the A-10 was a tank buster when it first came out. And radar sams aren't really an issue for the real air force right now. Besides the F-35 can shoot them.

 

And about the second screen MFD's yes there is. But I have no idea how. But I bet there's a lot of tutorials on how to do it. If you find a good one I'm all ears.

[VAF [136] Striker]

1- Are the MK-82 AIR so imprecise? I keep trying several modes (CCRP or CCIP 3/9) but the bombs are too imprecise. These are the only dumb bombs I keep missing the target.

 

Dumb bombs are very imprecise and the simulation models wind, momentum, angle of approach and many other things in a very precise manner. They take an immense amount of practice to get good using them. Also, you can use LASTE to help with low altitude bombing. It's in the manual.

 

2- Do you need to paint the target with NWS for the GBU-10/12? They some times fly beyond the target and miss it.

 

Yes, you need to use the laser to guide GBU-10's and 12's. Go into the setup for the TGP and turn "Latch" on and when you lase the target it will stay on. The GBU's need a constant laser pointer to follow. I turn it on about 12-15 seconds before impact, watching the number on the bottom right of the TGP. Don't overuse the laser or leave it on, it will burn out after awhile.

 

3- What is the mininum angle I can shoot a Maverick? I noticed that when I am at least 30º angle from the target, even with lock the missile will drop but miss the target. Do I need to be pointed at the target to shoot (The F18 doesn't require a direct approach).

 

Do you mean maximum? Minimum AOT would be 0 degrees. You do have a maximum angle and distance. If you go past minimum firing range they will miss. Your ideal firing range is between 7 and 7 1/2 miles and about 20 degrees AOT.

 

4- In night operations using NVGs, how do I set up the MFDs so that the white text (like NOT SOI) don't blind the rest of the image? I can adjust brightness, contrast and all that, but the letters are always too bright.

 

They are modeled like in real life. If you set the switch to green HUD at night it will help because the green text is not scrambled or fuzzed by the goggles but anything white will be blinding. I turn off the goggles intermittently to look at the MFD's. The MFD's do have a night setting but it only helps so much. Turn your instrument lighting down to where you just need it.

 

5- Is there a way to adjust the digital clock brightness individually? Whenever I adjust instrument brightness for the front panel the clock turns bright green and is unreadable.

 

Not that I know of but someone else might be able to answer this. It might be tied to the panel light knobs.

 

6- Why does, every time I touchdown on the runway and vacate it, after a little while there's a master warning, the MFD's blink and then return to normal? Is this normal?

 

It's the EGI (Embedded GPS, Inertial Navigation System) system and from what I understand it's normal for it to do that.

 

7- How do I setup SADL Ownship and Group IDs?

 

This only matters for working in multiplayer because the AI automatically are on your setting. The important one is the group ID. When you're in MP make sure you're all on the same group ID and no one is sharing an "own ID".

 

8- Is it possible to assign targets to other planes (AI and MP Players)? A small tutorial would be awesome.

 

Yes, but you have to be on the correct frequency then use the radio menu, for instance, "attack my target" and have something locked up by the TGP. If you're using complex radio management, the AI will only respond if you switch to the UHF AM frequencies. If you're using a mic switch on a HOTAS Warthog that's easy. Otherwise VHF AM is Left Alt & Numpad + and UHF AM is Left Alt & Numpad -.

 

Additional quick question, out of pure curiosity: Why aren't there Radar missiles for the A10C? Those SA-12 would be history quickly.

 

No Sa-12 in DCS World currently but Sa-10's have a range of 22 NM. The only thing currently effective is the Kh-58U that the Su-25T can carry. The A-10C can carry the AGM-65D and they work well on most systems but you have to find them first and lock them up. It doesn't have any SEAD capability in real life either.

[Gliptal]

1- Are the MK-82 AIR so imprecise? I keep trying several modes (CCRP or CCIP 3/9) but the bombs are too imprecise. These are the only dumb bombs I keep missing the target.

Mk-82 AIRs are indeed less precise than normal Mk-82, due to the retarding method they use. They're meant to be fired while very low and in a ripple setting. Don't try to plink single targets in a dive or from more than a thousand feet with them, that's not what they're for.

 

2- Do you need to paint the target with NWS for the GBU-10/12? They some times fly beyond the target and miss it.

You mean the laser. Yes you do need it to keep the target painted. Setting the DSMS to autolase 10 seconds before impact works most of the time for most attack profiles.

 

For more information about how the sim handles TGP, ranging, lasing, and their limitations, see this thread.

 

3- What is the mininum angle I can shoot a Maverick? I noticed that when I am at least 30º angle from the target, even with lock the missile will drop but miss the target. Do I need to be pointed at the target to shoot (The F18 doesn't require a direct approach).

The keyhole limitation was added a few months ago. See this post.

 

4- In night operations using NVGs, how do I set up the MFDs so that the white text (like NOT SOI) don't blind the rest of the image? I can adjust brightness, contrast and all that, but the letters are always too bright.

MFCDs are not supposed to be looked at through the NVG. I suggest using this mod to get rid of the pretty terrible stock NVGs, making it easier to look "below" them.

 

5- Is there a way to adjust the digital clock brightness individually? Whenever I adjust instrument brightness for the front panel the clock turns bright green and is unreadable.

Not that I know of. Ironically, it's one cockpit element that when illuminated is only readable through NVGs.

 

6- Why does, every time I touchdown on the runway and vacate it, after a little while there's a master warning, the MFD's blink and then return to normal? Is this normal?

Normal behaviour.

 

7- How do I setup SADL Ownship and Group IDs?

NET OSB in the TAD. See the manual for details.

 

8- Is it possible to assign targets to other planes (AI and MP Players)? A small tutorial would be awesome.

AI is aware of your SPI at all times, regardless of your settings. For MP, set SPI BROADCAST on the TAD (or DMS LEFT LONG).

 

Additional quick question, out of pure curiosity: Why aren't there Radar missiles for the A10C? Those SA-12 would be history quickly.

No need to add a SEAD weapon to a platform not made for SEAD.

 

Also, is there any way to set up a second screen to place the MFDs?

Yes, see this thread.

[BlueAngel]

Thank you all for your help. I got a lot of homework to do.

 

This is the best community I have ever been. All my questions are answered and with detail.

 

Thanks. I'll return here if anything further happens.

[VAF [136] Striker]

Most people here are very happy to help with problems we've all experienced so it's no sweat. We all kind of pay it back from the help we've received over the years from more experienced members. It's just a matter of learning a little at a time and asking when you need it. I'm still learning stuff to. You can be certain that as time goes on you'll be sure to have more questions. Don't hesitate to ask.

[BlueAngel]

Most of my experience comes from F-16 and F-18 simulators. So it's kind of a step back to the Warthog, especially compared to the Super Hornet. The systems on the super bug are much simpler to operate or have less steps, especially the targeting logic.

 

Anyway, loving it. I read here some third party was doing the F-14. Shame, I really wanted the Hornet in DCS, but this will have to wait I guess.

[Gliptal]

Most of my experience comes from F-16 and F-18 simulators. So it's kind of a step back to the Warthog, especially compared to the Super Hornet. The systems on the super bug are much simpler to operate or have less steps, especially the targeting logic.

 

Anyway, loving it. I read here some third party was doing the F-14. Shame, I really wanted the Hornet in DCS, but this will have to wait I guess.

One of the first iterations of the F-18 is coming soonish by ED. No chance for a Super Hornet though.

[BlueAngel]

VRS did an awesome job with their SuperBug for Prepar3D. With Tacpack you can use most systems (perhaps more than P3D can really handle).

[thedrizztman]

Respectfully, Sir, she's not a pig. She's a Hawg. There's a difference. Get that shit right, B. She'd be pissed if she knew you called her a pig.

[BlueAngel]

You're right. Mea Culpa.

 

I also call "bug" to my horny ( F18 ) and people give me flak.

 

Be sure, though, these are all caring names and not offenses! :)

[Oscar Juliet]

Hope this helps

 

 

Hi all. Let me tell you first I'm loving this flying pig. It's a learning process but I'm getting the hang of it. I just need some help with some small issues I'm having:

 

1- Are the MK-82 AIR so imprecise? I keep trying several modes (CCRP or CCIP 3/9) but the bombs are too imprecise. These are the only dumb bombs I keep missing the target.

 

All dumb bombs are horrible for accuracy. I personally don't carry them but I do carry a semi realistic balanced payload the keep myself from making it too easy.

 

2- Do you need to paint the target with NWS for the GBU-10/12? They some times fly beyond the target and miss it.

 

Laser guided bombs must either use auto lase or manual lase with the NWS button. GPS bombs just need something set as SPI to guide in on. Usually the TGP. I personally manually lase with NWS button on all laser guided bombs.

 

3- What is the mininum angle I can shoot a Maverick? I noticed that when I am at least 30º angle from the target, even with lock the missile will drop but miss the target. Do I need to be pointed at the target to shoot (The F18 doesn't require a direct approach).

 

I've noticed as of late being too close to the target is an issue. If you're at the minimum firing distance as indicated by the range meter on the MFD you will most likely miss. Give yourself a longer distance to fire from. Perhaps at short ranges dipping down to point at target would help but I have not tried it. Just noticed consistent misses at minimum ranges with mavericks.

 

4- In night operations using NVGs, how do I set up the MFDs so that the white text (like NOT SOI) don't blind the rest of the image? I can adjust brightness, contrast and all that, but the letters are always too bright.

 

I don't fly night much but each MFD in the bottom left hand corner has a night / day / off rotation knob.

 

5- Is there a way to adjust the digital clock brightness individually? Whenever I adjust instrument brightness for the front panel the clock turns bright green and is unreadable.

 

I'm sorry I don't know.

 

6- Why does, every time I touchdown on the runway and vacate it, after a little while there's a master warning, the MFD's blink and then return to normal? Is this normal?

 

It is a CDU warning. I'm not sure why.

 

7- How do I setup SADL Ownship and Group IDs?

 

TAD and you might have to press OSB 1 to bring up more options for the other OSB options. Then it is button OSB 6/7 I believe that sets group ID.

 

8- Is it possible to assign targets to other planes (AI and MP Players)? A small tutorial would be awesome.

 

I could train you group IPs and sending targets to other planes. Easiest is when its another A10c. The hard part and sometimes not possible is when they are not in an a10c. Yet you can still lase targets and if they have a way to see it well that works too.I don't know anything about a mirage but the guy had me lasing targets for him and he was finding them. I was in an a10c.

 

Additional quick question, out of pure curiosity: Why aren't there Radar missiles for the A10C? Those SA-12 would be history quickly.

 

Because....it would be too easy :D I don't really know why.

 

[Raistlen007]

Other people have answered most of these.

 

3. You need to fire the Maverick inside an area called the keyhole for it to hit.

 

4 & 5. You can adjust the NVG brightness to balance the brightness of the interior with the darkness of the exterior.

 

6. After landing the CICU automaticaly syncs the CICU and CDU data with the DTS cartridge through a function called 'DTS Upload.' Because of the way the aircraft memory works while the information is being read by the DTS system the navigation data is unavailable, which means the airplane doesn't have its location, which triggers a NAV caution, which is what triggers the master caution.

[BlueAngel]

Again, thank you for your precious help.

 

I am getting better at all weapon systems, but I am staying away from MK82 Air, I just can't make them hit the targets with minimum precision.

 

Now my concentration is fully on learning the deep programming of the CDU and TAD.

 

Oh, and air refuelling? it's so damn hard... :(

[Raistlen007]

If you want CDU and TAD help, you can PM me and we can chat on IRC or TS.

 

Air refueling is easier with good axis curves, and patience, and being able to relax. Most importantly is throttle control. When I'm refueling my throttle is constantly adjusting.

[MasterZelgadis]

Most importantly is throttle control. When I'm refueling my throttle is constantly adjusting.

 

Has to... fuel weight ;)

[Raistlen007]

Has to... fuel weight ;)

 

Yep! If you let the throttle rest she'l droop on you, but if you constantly adjust then you instinctively adjust to a new average without even realizing it.

[BlueAngel]

I read somewhere that if you have the TM HOTAS Warthog you shouldn't mess with curves as it degrades the joy+thr performance. So I never messed with the curves, should I.

 

Anyway, I was able to get KILLED, not crashed, really killed by the boom twice... :(

Edited August 6, 2016 by BlueAngel

[Raistlen007]

When you go from a linear 1:1 input to output to an extrapolation, you're sacrificing sensor resolution from one area and giving you more resolution in another area, so yes, there is some data loss, but if you need that resolution for fine adjustments, it's worth it.

 

I would suggest you apply some curves next time you refuel and see how you like it, and play with it during the flight until you feel comfortable with it.

[firmek]

1- Are the MK-82 AIR so imprecise? I keep trying several modes (CCRP or CCIP 3/9) but the bombs are too imprecise. These are the only dumb bombs I keep missing the target.

 

If you haven't tried it before set the wind and temperature data into LASTE: http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=66422 . This improves precision of dumb bombs a lot in windy conditions.

 

2- Do you need to paint the target with NWS for the GBU-10/12? They some times fly beyond the target and miss it.

Make sure that TGP is set as SOI not the steer point. Seems obvious but can become overlooked when things are becoming hot.

6- Why does, every time I touchdown on the runway and vacate it, after a little while there's a master warning, the MFD's blink and then return to normal? Is this normal?

http://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=1334874&postcount=4

There might be some other threads about it.

8- Is it possible to assign targets to other planes (AI and MP Players)? A small tutorial would be awesome.

There was an reply that AI is aware about your SPI all the time. To clarify just in case, as far as I recall you need to be broadcasting your SPI for the AI A-10 to see it. Next you can use radio menu to ask your wingmen or flight to attack it. Note that this AI inteligence is quite often ...well lets say not the smartest one.

 

Additional quick question, out of pure curiosity: Why aren't there Radar missiles for the A10C? Those SA-12 would be history quickly.

Interesting question. Just guessing that SEAD/DEAD capabilities were given to more specialized platforms. Might be that A-10 speed is an issue.

Edited August 5, 2016 by firmek

[Hermit713]

You forgot the big hog gun can't even kill a few infantrymen when you light up the whole area With high explosive and incinerator (spelling sucks) rounds

[Hermit713]

Yet seems like the bombs don't really do anything at all trucks can land right next to it! W/o being affected,same thing with infantrymen.

I don't know about you but if I had a large bomb dropped within 200 yards, I would probably be done .

 

Not so in DCS. Everything else I love about DCS but for some reason that's one thing, The damage model , in general, needs to be updated. Anything that has related to bombs and missiles been dropped and the big Gatlin gun on the A10, needs to be radically change my opinion .

 

Or perhaps I don't realize that DCS is accurate and I should be updated!

Edited January 12, 2017 by Hermit713

[Hermit713]

 

Additional quick question, out of pure curiosity: Why aren't there Radar missiles for the A10C? Those SA-12 would be history quickly.

 

I don't know whole lot about it but I do know that Sam sites are incredibly sophisticated! much more so than that are modeled in DCS. in fact the A-10 would be a bad idea, against trying to do a SEAD mission! Part of it would be yes it's very slow.

 

Sams have multiple sites that are integrated with sensors and it wouldn't stand a chance.

 

And I'm just regurgitating what I've read about the A10 and SAM sites.

Edited January 12, 2017 by Hermit713

[EasyEB]

Regarding the clock, it is possible to edit. I've disabled the backlighting texture (since the clock is already backlit) on mine so it's always readable.