Mirage or f5

[sublime]

Opinions pls gents. Moneys tight. Reasons for or against either plane.

I also will consider the gazelle..i love the huey amd flying hate but hate flying the bs2 and wish i cud trade that purchase for another mod

[codefox]

That's pretty much as if you were comparing an apple with a banana. It all boils down to what you want to do and which you like more, I'd guess.

[grunf]

Mirage is a superior plane, in both A2A and A2G. F-5 is a legend. :D

 

As module, the Mirage is still in development, with very fast progress. Some features are still missing, there are a few bugs. Still it's a pleasure to fly, and fight in it. F-5 is obviously still unknown, but judging by the previous BST modules, should be good.

 

It is really up to you, and which plane you like the most.

[mattebubben]

Opinions pls gents. Moneys tight. Reasons for or against either plane.

I also will consider the gazelle..i love the huey amd flying hate but hate flying the bs2 and wish i cud trade that purchase for another mod

 

It depends what you want out of the module.

 

If you want to fight in MP against modern fighters like F-15,Mig-29 and su-27s then id suggest the Mirage 2000.

 

If you want a modern BVR capable aircraft with the ability to IFF enemy targets by using the radar then the Mirage 2000.

 

But if you want (or would be equally OK with) to go head to head in visual range combat with mig-21s then the F-5E will be great fun.

 

If you want to do air-ground missions with simple systems that demand more of out of the pilot in order to be accurate id suggest the F-5E.

 

They are both great aircraft and will both bring alot of fun times.

 

But it depends on how you want/Intended to use them.

 

If you want to do Air-Air work on the 104th MP server (or similar No weapon restriction all sides have all aircraft types Mp servers) then the Mirage 2000 would probably be more enjoyable.

[dartuil]

It depends what you want out of the module.

 

If you want to fight in MP against modern fighters like F-15,Mig-29 and su-27s then id suggest the Mirage 2000.

 

If you want a modern BVR capable aircraft with the ability to IFF enemy targets by using the radar then the Mirage 2000.

 

But if you want (or would be equally OK with) to go head to head in visual range combat with mig-21s then the F-5E will be great fun.

 

If you want to do air-ground missions with simple systems that demand more of out of the pilot in order to be accurate id suggest the F-5E.

 

They are both great aircraft and will both bring alot of fun times.

 

But it depends on how you want/Intended to use them.

 

If you want to do Air-Air work on the 104th MP server (or similar No weapon restriction all sides have all aircraft types Mp servers) then the Mirage 2000 would probably be more enjoyable.

 

After what u said how someone can choose the F-5E?

You are right on all points!

[ebabil]

i think having f-5 in dcs world like having a classic car in your garage. not for going fishing with your kids, or going on holiday with lots of baggages. but just for having it, looking and flying with it just for fun. mirage is your modern sedan, you can use it for everything

[mattebubben]

After what u said how someone can choose the F-5E?

You are right on all points!

 

Its easy.

 

If you want a earlier generation of aircraft and a good opponent of the Mig-21Bis.

 

Then the F-5E is a great choice.

 

If you want to fly Missions against the Mig-21 with within visual range then you will have great fun in the F-5E.

 

The F-5E will also be a fun little strike aircraft and will have a decent bombload etc.

 

But for someone that only wants to do Air-Air MP on servers like the 104th then the M2000 would be a better choice.

 

I have the M2000 and i will be getting the F-5E.

 

Because i love the aircraft and i love the within visual range combat that the Definite F-5E Vs Mig-21 severs will give us.

 

The choice between the F-5E and M2000 all depends on what you want.

 

As they are both amazing aircraft that give you different things.

[bkthunder]

A couple more points on the Mirage:

 

- it's (for now) the only DCS level 4th gen interceptor

- it's the only DCS level fly-by-wire aircraft with a relaxed stability design

 

These two things alone make it a very fresh offering IMO, while the F-5 is an old school design with limited capabilities.

 

If money was really tight and I had to choose, I'd go for the Mirage, but I suggest you save up on a few doughnuts or pizzas and get both ;)

[Hook47]

The only right answer here is both, my friend, but if you can only get one for the time being, i would go with the consensus for the Mirage

[firmek]

..i love the huey amd flying hate but hate flying the bs2 and wish i cud trade that purchase for another mod

Not that there is something wrong with M2000C, it's a great module but:

1. Based on your statement I would try to guess that F-5 may fit your taste better. M2000 due to fly by wire and extremely easy to use systems it's a kind of plane that brings more of fun from applying tactics rather than just flying/operating it. Using Huey/BS2 analogy it's kind of similar to BS2 in this respect

2. At the moment I would consider it if you're up for competing with FC3 planes in MP - also due to the fact that the campaign hasn't been released yet. Note that for someone new into air-air combat it can be frustrating experience sometimes as FC3 planes have much better weapons and radar.

3. I would expect F-5 being more of "seat of your pants" plane - so more like Huey than BS2. Also Belsimtek has proven that they make a state of the art flight models.

4. F-5 has both air and ground attack capabilities. There will be a lot to do with it also that it will have an exactly matching rival of Mig-21 in MP servers.

5. With F-5 you'll spend more time going deeper into aviation aspects like navigation, IFR, etc.. This brings a totally new dimension that can easily at lest duplicate the time that you can spend flying it.

6. If you enjoy learning the plane and it's systems, flying training missions etc I would also expect to spend more time with F-5. M2000-C is extremely easy to learn - which obviously can be an advantage, depends on what you're up for.

 

I might be assuming a lot here but it seems that we have similar preferences - I'm loving Mi-8, BS-2 I like also but rather for it's attack capabilities than flying it. I've got M-2000C and got bored with it quite quickly. Than I've got Mig-21 and can't stop flying it. It brought overall much more content and possibilities to extend knowledge and experience.

[bkthunder]

Not that there is something wrong with M2000C, it's a great module but:

1. Based on your statement I would try to guess that F-5 may fit your taste better. M2000 due to fly by wire and extremely easy to use systems it's a kind of plane that brings more of fun from applying tactics rather than just flying/operating it. Using Huey/BS2 analogy it's kind of similar to BS2 in this respect

2. At the moment I would consider it if you're up for competing with FC3 planes in MP - also due to the fact that the campaign hasn't been released yet. Note that for someone new into air-air combat it can be frustrating experience sometimes as FC3 planes have much better weapons and radar.

3. I would expect F-5 being more of "seat of your pants" plane - so more like Huey than BS2. Also Belsimtek has proven that they make a state of the art flight models.

4. F-5 has both air and ground attack capabilities. There will be a lot to do with it also that it will have an exactly matching rival of Mig-21 in MP servers.

5. With F-5 you'll spend more time going deeper into aviation aspects like navigation, IFR, etc.. This brings a totally new dimension that can easily at lest duplicate the time that you can spend flying it.

6. If you enjoy learning the plane and it's systems, flying training missions etc I would also expect to spend more time with F-5. M2000-C is extremely easy to learn - which obviously can be an advantage, depends on what you're up for.

 

I might be assuming a lot here but it seems that we have similar preferences - I'm loving Mi-8, BS-2 I like also but rather for it's attack capabilities than flying it. I've got M-2000C and got bored with it quite quickly. Than I've got Mig-21 and can't stop flying it. It brought overall much more content and possibilities to extend knowledge and experience.

 

Let's not forget that the Mirage 2000C has a very nice INS that looks like an oversized calculator from the 80's. It also models drift errors and a synthetic runway for ILS landing. So if you're into navigation with a high tech yet vintage system, the Mirage is perfect IMO.

 

If you go deep into the Mirage it can be a very rewarding aircraft, I'm saying this because I also had the same feeling in the beginning, you just flip a few switches and start the airplane, but remember that many things were not implemented until the last patch, and now everything is more complex, including the armament.

 

Not bashing on the F-5, as I said , you should get both. And I totally agree with some other guy who said the F-5 is like a classic car. I will get it because it looks great, has a lot of great skins, and it'll be very nice for aerobatics. Don't know how much I'll use it in a mission except for a guns only dogfight.

[Gliptal]

Another point in favor of the M-2000C: the campaign is very good.

[Fri13]

Two different aircrafts, and both you should fly by their design. So you need to enjoy from both flaws and benefits.

 

Other is a interceptor and other is a light multi-purpose fighter.

 

I am planning to get both on the day they hit to Steam (developers doesn't seem to want money...) but first I think I take the Mirage as it came out first, and then F-5E.

 

If I would need to compare those to KA-50, then I would say that KA-50 is like the Mirage when you are operational, very easy to fly, does everything you ask it to do and more. And once you get damaged and you lose like autopilot, Shkval etc, then you are flying F-5E II with a limited capabilities (or if you don't carry Vikhrs).

 

You just need to know both aircrafts how to fly and what you can do with them.

[firmek]

Another point in favor of the M-2000C: the campaign is very good.

Unless I'm missing a major thing here it's "will be" rather than "is" as it hasn't been released yet. Especially that I was planning to get back to M2000 when the campaign is released.

[wolle]

Another point in favor of the M-2000C: the campaign is very good.

 

Their is a campaign for the Mirage??? Since when??? I've heard there is one in development, but did it come out yet?

[Gliptal]

Unless I'm missing a major thing here it's "will be" rather than "is" as it hasn't been released yet. Especially that I was planning to get back to M2000 when the campaign is released.

 

Their is a campaign for the Mirage??? Since when??? I've heard there is one in development, but did it come out yet?

I've been beta testing it for the last couple of months, I've flown it all more times than I can count.

 

You'll have to trust me obviously.

[Xenovia]

Personally i would pick the Mirage 2000C, its got INS, Synthetic runways, better BVR capability, its faster than an F-5, its a delta-winged fighter so you know that thing will turn like no other plane in DCS, it has its challenges when using the gun snake, and the list goes on.

[iVVChewy9141VVi]

What to get? Mirage or Tiger

 

What module should I pick up the DCS Mirage or DCS F-5? Stuck inbetween.

[boedha68]

Mirage is simplier to fly then the f5. Cause fly by wire system and systems. F5 is harder.both planes are superb. Mirage is modern then the f5. I like them both but i am speak easy cause i have it all.totally addicted to dcs.

[iVVChewy9141VVi]

Thanks,

 

Ended up getting the Mirage and omg do I love it but its a pain setting up my joystick lol so many buttons to assign stuff to. Ill probably pick up the F-5 this weekend

[Thisdale]

That.

 

Mirage is a superior plane, in both A2A and A2G. F-5 is a legend. :D

 

Is well said.