Please make the game support IP change finally.

[Scarecrow]

Scarecrow, isn't the WWII France area for DCS still in development? (Sry 4 ot, just want to clarify this question)

 

Sorry i was being a little sarcastic, DCS WWII and the Normandy map are still being worked on.

 

As to your original problem it is as others have said "it's your problem with your ISP and ED's reasoning for things being as they are is totally rational and justifiable".

 

I take my hat off to you sir; generating five pages out of a problem that was solved on page one :thumbup:

[D4n]

Oh and another thing to add to the DCS wishlist, please make it possible to close game with Alt+F4. Just didn't work when my D*GFJOROFÜBVDNRIHORPWV (angry) ISP CHANGED MY IP ONCE AGAIN during DCS flight. I need the Alt F4 thing to relieve my stress... Now I am still very angry, had to click 4 buttons to close the game and now I'll probably kill people in GTA IV (shooting a lot)... :P Man this can be frustrating.

[sobek]

Austria IS different from germany in Internet laws...

 

Just one or two posts ago, all European DSL users had this problem, now they don't? ;)

 

I'm playing devils advocate here, but the point is, you are trying to make this issue look bigger than it is and that is not helping your cause.

 

You can assure me a simple Netgear router will have a setting "IP change time" ???

 

The way this usually works is that your ISP checks if you're connected for more than 24h and if that condition is met, you get disconnected at a certain time. If that is the case, you can manipulate that mechanism by setting your router to reconnect sometime in the early morning, which will lead to the aforementioned condition to never be met, so your ISP will never force the disconnect.

 

Whether your ISP follows that protocol or forces a new IP on all clients at a preset time i do not know. I'd ask around the net how your ISP handles this.

 

This practice was really common 10 years ago, less so now. Hate to tell you but your ISP sucks. Is there really no alternative?

 

Btw. what does your modem log say exactly at the time of the reconnect?

 

I DID contact the support several times via chat, the chat guys had no fckin (sry) clue what I meant/was talking about... (AS I already said, it is MOST probably Telekom, the hardware they use for my internet is by the other ISP and owner Telekom, THEIR hardware decides when to change my IP. By their hardware I mean the big box on my street/around the corner...)

 

First level support is clueless, this is a given. They work through a set list of possible issues that cover only the most basic of problems. Did they never relay you to higher tier support? If your answer is no, then your ISP sucks even more than previously indicated.

Edited July 23, 2016 by sobek

[D4n]

Atleast all german DSL ISPs that are not Telekom have this issue.

 

And what is even funnier, (or shameful), no logs in my Router interface! :D

 

Manufacturer is "ZyXEL" company. I looked in my router manual, there IS THEORETICALLY the option available (to set time to renew IP), BUT, my provider has this feature disabled in my routers firmware!!! o_O (German article translated to english: https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=de&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=https%3A%2F%2Fde.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FZwangstrennung&edit-text=&act=url )

[sobek]

How can you even be sure of the cause of the disconnect then?

[Pitot]

you're basically asking for server and client side to have a super long time out buffer.

 

So if you lose connection, everyone see's aircraft flying in last known state,

 

Then when your network comes back up and server resumes receiving DCS Packets from you, Your plane will warp to your current position on every one else's side/screens..

 

 

Which is equivalent of and will enable Modem Standby Abuse.

(Where User presses Standby Button on Modem, Modem receives data, but does not transmit, other players see you in other state, youre still flying around, and when standby is turned off, you pop up in a completely different location.)

 

if a connection is lost for more than a few seconds, player should be removed.

 

It's this way for a reason.

 

I tried explaining that, hopefully they will understand your comment better.

[D4n]

How can you even be sure of the cause of the disconnect then?

 

Because I checked and I do get a new IP at RANDOM time between 1 to 3 am...

[cichlidfan]

Atleast all german DSL ISPs that are not Telekom have this issue.

 

So now we are down to a subset of German DSL ISPs and further still, the subset of players who play MP. The pool of users with this issue is dwindling quickly.

[sobek]

There could potentially be other things causing a reconnect, you know...

[D4n]

Oh really?

 

Btw I'd still say that there are a few hundred DCS player in Germany AT LEAST, if not thousands (only ED has the statistics)...

[Captain Orso]

Unless you ISP itself has a mandatory disconnect within a specific time frame, like between 1 am and 3 am, it is probably simply waiting until you have had a connection for around 24 hours.

 

IF it is simply counting the hours connected, you can get round this by

1. disconnect from the internet and reconnect before you start DCS to go into MP.

2. once you quit DCS MP, disconnect again and reconnect.

 

This should

1. prevent your ISP from disconnecting you for being connected for more than 24 hours in one stretch of time while you are in MP

2. push back the point in time when you have been connected for 24 hours.

 

If you are really interested in a solution without changing IPS's or investing in a better router, this will at the very least let you know how your ISP is working.

 

Please report back with your results.

[D4n]

I will try this tonight I think. :) (Though my neighbor chatting with his girl will be angry since he's using my WiFi from across the hallway too... :P ) But tbh I HIIIGHLY doubt that I'll receive a new IP with a simple router reboot...

 

And if new routers don't guarantee me to have that setting to when refresh IPs I'm still convinced it's my ISP switching IP randomly every night around that time.

[SkateZilla]

Disconnecting from DHCP Server will always result in either a new IP lease, or re-acquiring one that's been leased to your MAC address permanently.

 

As part of the connection process is to obtain an IP from the DHCP.

[Socket7]

you should be able to see the amount of time until your DHCP lease expires too. I'm not sure how to check that information on the router itself. Dig around in the DHCP or network information settings.

 

In windows, you can do an ipconfig /all and get the lease creation and expiration date, but that wont help in this case because it will only tell you how long your desktop has its 192.168.1.x lease to the router, instead of your routers lease on an internet facing IP.

[D4n]

Noooope as expected Router reboot wouldn't change A THING. IP got changed just now as expected.

[SkateZilla]

do you have a router modem combo unit? or a Router and Modem?

[D4n]

combo (as usual since change to VoIP DSL in germany last year or 2 years ago) or do you mean DSL splitter? THat also not. All in one.

[Pitot]

Oh really?

 

Btw I'd still say that there are a few hundred DCS player in Germany AT LEAST, if not thousands (only ED has the statistics)...

 

Sometimes in life - you just have bad luck. Or wrong ISP. Or not enough money for static IP.

I have IP Changes, but luckily - at the time when I don't play. Come on, I live in a country that's almost 3rd world and we have a fairly good ISP choices. Don't tell me that you don't have it in Germany. :)

[Captain Orso]

I will try this tonight I think. :) (Though my neighbor chatting with his girl will be angry since he's using my WiFi from across the hallway too... :P ) But tbh I HIIIGHLY doubt that I'll receive a new IP with a simple router reboot...

 

And if new routers don't guarantee me to have that setting to when refresh IPs I'm still convinced it's my ISP switching IP randomly every night around that time.

 

:music_whistling: that's what happens when you ride in the backpack :smilewink:

 

Disconnecting from DHCP Server will always result in either a new IP lease, or re-acquiring one that's been leased to your MAC address permanently.

 

As part of the connection process is to obtain an IP from the DHCP.

 

:huh: whaaaa? DHCP? .... whaaaaaa.......?

 

DHCP will configure your local IP address, and tell your system which DNS servers to use, possibly some other things, depending on configuration.

 

Your local IP address will to 99.99999999998% be an unroutable address within the class-B range of 192.168.x.x. Once you have an address assigned, depending on how you configure the DHCP server in your router, you can get the next free ip address available each time you reconnect to the router without an ip address, or you can have it give you the exact same address every time.

 

If you want to you can configure your NIC (Network Interface Card) in your PC to have a specific IP address and not even use DHCP for an ip address.

 

but, it has absolutely nothing to do with the IP address your internet connection gets from your ISP.

 

you should be able to see the amount of time until your DHCP lease expires too. I'm not sure how to check that information on the router itself. Dig around in the DHCP or network information settings.

 

In windows, you can do an ipconfig /all and get the lease creation and expiration date, but that wont help in this case because it will only tell you how long your desktop has its 192.168.1.x lease to the router, instead of your routers lease on an internet facing IP.

 

See above.

 

DHCP will NEVER take the ip address away from a running system. You might get a new ip address if the 'lease' on your previous ip address has expired and your system requests an ip address, because you are restarting your system for example.

 

Noooope as expected Router reboot wouldn't change A THING. IP got changed just now as expected.

 

That does not matter for anything. The point is, now the ip address your ISP has provided for your internet connnection is set for the next 24 hours and if your router and ISP look at how long the connection is running to determine to stop and restart your connection, it won't happen while you are in DCS-MP.

 

Not changing the ip address provided for your internet connection has absolutely no importance.

 

The only thing of importance, is that the router and/or your ISP do not restart your internet connection within the next 24 hours after you manually restarted it. THAT'S ALL.

 

do you have a router modem combo unit? or a Router and Modem?

 

combo (as usual since change to VoIP DSL in germany last year or 2 years ago) or do you mean DSL splitter? THat also not. All in one.

 

No, he means is your DSL modem physically integrated into your router, which is highly probable, or do you have a router and a modem. This has nothing to do with the TAE nor the splitter.

 

Basically, if you have a splitter-box, it has a DSL-out port. Follow the cable from the DSL-out port to where it is connected, and that is your DSL modem.

 

If it is connected to your router, then your DSL modem is integrated into your router.

 

Sometimes in life - you just have bad luck. Or wrong ISP. Or not enough money for static IP.

I have IP Changes, but luckily - at the time when I don't play. Come on, I live in a country that's almost 3rd world and we have a fairly good ISP choices. Don't tell me that you don't have it in Germany. :)

 

In general, you get what you pay for, even in Germany.

 

I have yet to hear the answer to what I suggested and I'm starting to believe I need to teach a class on networking and IP before I get an proper answer :cry:

 

Please, if I was unclear on what I suggested, please say so, because unless you tell me, I cannot know.

[Pitot]

Oh god Sorry, Cpt. Wrote a comment, then saw I wrote basically same thing you already said XD

Good suggestion about resetting connection.

 

As for WYSIWYG - that is correct. It is by far easier to figure out how to get extra money for better ISP service package, than to force a company to rewrite net code because :D

Edited July 25, 2016 by Pitot

[D4n]

I didn't check if my WAN IP adress was changed after my router reboot (yes modem is integratet obviously, why do you even ask, there is no seperate modem functioning in germany with the DSL technology of 2016) BUT I DO NOW that after my router reboot (did it at 1 am) MY ISP STILL CHANGED MY IP at 2:30 AM ! ! ! AS I expected! I am fully in the hands of O2 and the street-hardware (the big DSL box on the road) owner Telekom until they change/upgrade their 24h IP change policy.

 

What did you suggest I couldn't find a suggestion in your long post.

 

Pitot I don't know what country you're from but it seems to me your name sounds french. France is BY FAR not as bad in Internet things as germany. (just look at the size of OVH, they have alone 18500 servers in Paris. Germany has nothing comparable to this afaik ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OVH ) 17 datacenters, 240 million € revenue, just some facts as example)

 

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[Captain Orso]

*sigh* okay, IIUC, you have now confirmed that O2 does a reset of your connection per a time plan controlled by O2, regardless of how shortly a length of time your connection has actually been up. Even though the telephone/DSL lines are owned by Telelom, the DSLAM and all networking equipment behind it belong to and are managed by O2. This is per German law. I know this from my son who did an apprenticeship with German Telekom. So O2 is controlling the periodic disconnects.

 

I googled around for O2 and Zwangstrennung and found that some O2 Homeboxes have a Zwangstrennung function, and some do not.

 

I have to assume that if some of the Homeboxes have the function that there is a a protocol to inform the DSLAM to follow the Hombox's configuration, instead of its own, otherwise the exact same thing would occur as you have described from manually disconnecting.

 

If your router does not support the configurable disconnect time-frame, I rather doubt that O2 will be willing to--or possibly even capable of--configuring exactly your line into the DSLAM to disconnect per a different schedule.

 

I suppose you could open a service request with O2 to request this, but I don't see a great probability of success. Sorry :huh:

[D4n]

Exactly. Ok will try my luck someday!

[Captain Orso]

I found something new

 

The DSLAM does not use the actual internet connection to determine if, and when it will reset the connection, it uses the DSL-Sync.

 

This means that if you simply disconnect from the internet through the browser interface to your router, it will not stop the actual DSL connection between the DSLAM you're connected to, and the DSL-Modem in your router. In this case the DSLAM continues to use its own plan, ergo, reset between 2 and 3 AM.

 

To avoid this, you must break the DSL-Sync. The easiest way would be to pull the DSL cable from the splitter or router for 10-15 seconds and then ensure that the router reconnects to the internet.

 

The more heavy-handed way would be to pull the power from your router altogether for 60 seconds (check your user manual for details on resetting a hung router [NOT TO BE CONFUSED WITH RESETTING A CONFIGURATION)) and wait for it to boot again. This may be easier, depending on your cabling and how easy your access is to everything.

 

Good luck with this mission, if you decide to take it :thumbup:

 

:smilewink:

[D4n]

Unplugging cable sounds easy ! ! ! WILL TRY NOW!!! :D

 

Btw u sure 10-15 seconds is enough??? (Will check if IP changes after un and replugging cable)

 

I just contacted O2 expert he said it is in hands of Telekom since there is VDSL.