F-5E RWR?

[ThorBrasil]

Does anyone have an F-5E of the manual teaching RWR? When enemy aircraft lock you and launches a missile. RWR should make a sound to alert the pilot? The manual says nothing of RWR and its functions.

[mwd2]

p. 180 - is not much, but it still in EA status!

[MVSokie]

The RWR I thought was mentioned in change log as not having sound yet, known bug/

[Einherjer]

Does the sound work yet?

[Svend_Dellepude]

Missile launch alert is there.

Contacts ping is not.

[Einherjer]

Thanks

[Anna]

I really hope this is getting fixed soon, the RWR is one of the most useful sensors on the F-5E for sure, and right now it's of limited use due to not alerting the pilot.

 

Constantly watching it defeats the purpose of increased situational awareness even more... At least the missle launch warning is there, but new contacts and locking not having sound really is a problem.

Edited August 23, 2016 by Anna

[jmijnen]

I think it may be supposed to be this way as it's an old RWR system, not sure thougj.

[Svend_Dellepude]

It's not supposed to be this way.

The rwr is described in the manual.

[mattebubben]

I very much hope they fix this and add the New contact Ping as well as a Lock warning.

 

Since for me those are just as important as a Launch warning.

 

And it really helps with situational awareness (letting you know that you need to lock at the RWR display)

 

where as now its easy to loose focus and forget the RWR panel and then the first warning of someone turning on their radar is when the missile is already on its way.

[mattebubben]

I think it may be supposed to be this way as it's an old RWR system, not sure thougj.

 

The F-5E Uses the same RWR Display as the A-10A.

(The IP-1310/ALR).

 

So it should be able to do the same things as the system on the A-10A.

Edited August 21, 2016 by mattebubben

[jmijnen]

The F-5E Uses the same RWR Display as the A-10A.

(The IP-1310/ALR).

 

So it should be able to do the same things as the system on the A-10A.

 

My fault, then, I was just speculating things here.

[Anna]

I checked the files and configs and there are supposed to be all kinds of warnings you'd expect from the other modules, but for some reason they are not playing. Maybe a simple path issue, maybe not. Can't tell, but all warning features of other US RWRs are in place, just bugged.

[JABO2009]

Folks , has the RWR tone not beeping issue been fixed ?

 

 

Recently got blown out of the sky by a Mig21 on the cold war Server and there was nothing to hear, not even a optical indication on RWR ..

[Vatikus]

Nope, it's status quo...

[JABO2009]

Nope, it's status quo...

 

 

well that's imo a HUGE disadvantage in Aerial combat atm

[Svend_Dellepude]

there is a mod in the mods section that fixes this. Give it a search. can't remember what it's called.

[Beamscanner]

The devs believe the RWR doesn't provide continuous audio because the NATOPS doesn't mention it, only describing new guy and missile launch audio. Meaning that after the two initial beeps indicating a new contact you wont hear anything.

 

There's a whole thread about it here https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=187487&page=1

Including a video of an ALR-46 (ALR-87 is made after the 46 for export) in action with continuous audio. Its probably the only footage I could find of an american digital RWR on the internet.

 

The mod I made is only to fix the search button so that all emitters are shown instead of one or the other (search or fire control). The mod I made doesn't alter the audio.

[Brinkyeti]

Doesn't the attached doc, in the link provided above by Beamscanner, imply the following:

 

SEARCH off: only fire control radars are being displayed on the RWR (mig21, mig29, su27, ... everything that can shoot you down)

 

SEARCH on: only non fire control radars are being displayed (AWACS, GCI radar, ... everything that can't shoot you down)

 

and the respective group of radars should always be displayed on the RWR, not depending on wehter or not you're being locked by it.

 

Or am i misinterpreting the document?

[MBot]

Doesn't the attached doc, in the link provided above by Beamscanner, imply the following:

 

SEARCH off: only fire control radars are being displayed on the RWR (mig21, mig29, su27, ... everything that can shoot you down)

 

SEARCH on: only non fire control radars are being displayed (AWACS, GCI radar, ... everything that can't shoot you down)

 

and the respective group of radars should always be displayed on the RWR, not depending on wehter or not you're being locked by it.

 

Or am i misinterpreting the document?

 

Yes, that is what the documents says. The question is, what kind of document that is. It doesn't look like an actual manual (use of !). In fact it rather looks like the internal design document written by Belsimtek themselve.

 

It remains that the current RWR logic is extremely weird and hardly believable. The RWR shows a scanning MiG-21 only in search mode, and a MiG-21 that has locked you up only with search mode deselected. If you are in search mode and notice a MiG-21 spike that goes away, you have to manually deselect the search mode to determine weather he has just locked you up or just disappeared! That is simply beyond any logic.

[Aries144]

Where is this mod? I couldn't find it.

[Beamscanner]

Where is this mod? I couldn't find it.

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=190090

[Aries144]

Thank you sir!

[Ramsay]

The question is, what kind of document that is. It doesn't look like an actual manual (use of !). In fact it rather looks like the internal design document written by Belsimtek themselve.

 

The quoted page :-

 

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3139409&postcount=2

 

is from NAVAIR 01-F5AAA-1, NATOPS Flight Manual Navy Model F-5E/F/N, 6 JANUARY 2006.

Chapter 26 Defensive Systems, has 16 pages covering the F-5N RADAR WARNING RECEIVER ALR-87.

 

IIRC the USAF and Navy procure their own RWR's. I think there was a senate committee to standardise on a single system to save costs but the 2 branches had different requirements/preferences.

 

I'm not sure what the final outcome was - perhaps that's why the DCS ALR-87 seems so strange ?

Edited August 16, 2017 by Ramsay

[mx22]

Not sure if this would be of any help, but here is F-20 Tigershark video that shows the same/similar RWR in action:

 

 

In case the link does not start at the correct time, RWR footage is at 8:04