Operation "Blue Flag" - 24/7 PvP Campaign - ROUND 8

[Reaper6]

10. If you're talking about the PRTz Data Link then it's actually 10 targets per type that can be stored in the computer! You're talking about the diamond or house shaped symbols apperaing on the ABRIS, right?

 

I've posted a thread once regarding AA missiles for the Ka-50 (http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=145613). If I was just as good, Reaper6, I wouldn't care. Need to practice more. Good thing the round is over so I can go back to practicing air combats in the Ka-50. Would've loved to fly the Ka-50 in the last round but with you around it wasn't really needed. After all, someone had to tend to the Mi-8 :)

 

Stay well, buddy!

 

Unless something has changed that I'm not aware of, you are only allowed 4 targets per type (ADA, ARMOR, OTHER) and one Ingress point. If you try to input more than 4 of any type it will delete the first one and continue. I am talking about the symbols that appear in ABRIS.

 

You're better off with Vikhrs, just practice, practice, practice. Don't start getting lazy on me like those pesky Jet pilots lol

 

Reaper6

[Panhead]

and one Ingress point.

I thought it was 4 ingress points as well. Been a while since I looked at it, though. You are probably correct.

 

OT: Flooding near you? Looks pretty bad.

[JNelson]

Oh please, it's not just the numbers. BLUE attracts many casual/novice pilots that, if at all, communicate solely via chat. I see them typing "I'm in A-10, where to go?" and then they die 10 minutes later and subsequently leave the server. New player comes in - rinse repeat. The overall numbers don't really reflect the real "force" that's actually attacking.

 

BLUE has too many planes that are in some way degraded, bugged, and or way too underpowered.

 

F-5: Basically a faster HAWK with a short range radar

Gazelle: Only 4 missiles

Mirage: Missiles bugged

F-15: Missile performance is so poor, it comes down to dogfighting 90% of the time where Shlem/R73 stand out

A-10: Way too slow with greatly reduced attack range

F-4: Self-explanatory.

 

I even see Su27s equipping ECM and fly above cons. Strange new world...

 

Funny how both sides think their weapons are degraded in some way, almost like ED has a bias against everyone, or more likely they model based off of data. The mirage isn't bugged what are you talking about the missiles function perfectly fine. The A10 is an absolute beast compared to the nerfed Su-25t with reduced SEAD weapons and reduced SAMs so that the A10s are easier to use. I think the problem here is we are trying to do a Russia vs Nato in some places but not others. Riddle me this why if we are doing that at forward bases we have Mirage on Blue but on MiG-21 on Red 3rd Gen vs 4th Gen hardly fair. But then you have the Su25t having it's sead weapons nerfed and the sams nerfed to make it fair for the A10. We just need to have all aircraft on both sides with the same SAMs and then it will truly be fair or even just all full fidelity modules on both sides.

[Reaper6]

Very cool, thanks a lot for sharing Reaper! I started flying the Shark on and off since it came out but I never stuck with it because of a perceived lack of things to do.

 

Seems like I was just being lazy and there's actually plenty of SP content out there. When you say you mess around with the worst weather conditions, are you flying the included missions? Fan made ones? Would you be willing to compile a list of maybe a couple of suggestions to get people started and learn looking in the right places for fun SP stuff to fly?

 

Also -- and sorry for asking for your arm here after you just extended a hand -- would you maybe be willing to post a sample mission? Not a video, mind you, but maybe just fly as you usually do, and take a screenshot every once in a while (for example if you do an ABRIS update) and then post them here with some annotations.

I would hugely appreciate something like that and I'm pretty sure I'd not the only one!

 

To everyone else I'd like to say: I just dipped my toe into Blue Flag as it was coming to its close, and it was amazingly fun to just be part of that map-spanning team effort, listening in to you guys coordinating and setting up attack runs. I'll be sure to be back next round and hopefully contribute some as well!

 

I actually just make up missions and go do them, I have tried a few of the missions available for download. But the best thing I can tell you is mess around with mission editor and make your own. I usually just over write the last mission to make a new more challenging one. I can start saving some of them and post them in the future.

 

I wish I knew how to make videos to post on YouTube, I tried once and failed miserably. I can take screenshots, but the only problem is I use Helios with multiple monitors. 3 for my cockpit screens and a projector for my main screen. here is my cockpit panel to see what I am talking about.

 

I can post screenshots of what I do with ABRIS that should be no problem. You can usually find me in the KA50 forum, I have posted tons of stuff in there. There is also a COMPLETE start to finish in-depth preflight checklist I posted a while ago, that you are able to view thru your kneeboard.

 

I have no problems sharing any information I can with others. I use to have classes a while back once or twice a week. I don't do much multiplayer, but if you ever want to fly and I'm around I have no problems with that.

 

Reaper6

[Reaper6]

Are there any extension to show ABRIS on android phone or etc? Thx.

 

I think there is a way to setup your Android as a virtual monitor? ABRIS is already a "viewport". I'm not that technically proficient to tell you how to do it, but I have mine on a separate monitor. So I would have to say that it would be possible.

 

Reaper6

[Reaper6]

I thought it was 4 ingress points as well. Been a while since I looked at it, though. You are probably correct.

 

OT: Flooding near you? Looks pretty bad.

 

I'm 99% you can only have one ingress point at a time. I will have to get in my Shark today just to make sure (if my wife lets me). My wife HATES the Blueflag event lol, every time I'm on there she says I act like I'm in a real war.

 

No flooding here, just tons and tons of rain thank God. I think that is more south of us, why would anyone want to live below sea level is beyond me!

 

Reaper6

[Dave317]

For the next round would it be possible to have an AI wingman for every player. Not sure if this is possible or anyone else agrees, just putting it out there.

[Reaper6]

For the next round would it be possible to have an AI wingman for every player. Not sure if this is possible or anyone else agrees, just putting it out there.

 

OMG please NO! That's all I need is some idiotic AI flying around above me giving my position away. I would just end up committing fratricide to be honest!

 

Reaper6

[gregzagk]

Why was there no SA-3's? i mean.. literally everything was on BLUE this time, SU-25 was restircted in the capabilities it is good at, no SA-3's and overall less popular aircraft.. Personally i flew on BLUE only because of Mirage, but it wasn't exactly hard to see what would happen this round..

 

I think give back SA-3's, some of Su-25's capabilities and it should be fine.. it was really not that great this time playing on a team with huge advantages and more players against RED who had quite little chance to take you down.

 

Where is this based on?

Red side almost won during this round and people were talking here about their huge advantage having the KA-50. Maybe you didn't follow the war during the 17 days.

 

 

Riddle me this why if we are doing that at forward bases we have Mirage on Blue but on MiG-21 on Red 3rd Gen vs 4th Gen hardly fair.

 

During the whole Round 8 we had F-5 vs MiG-21 in forward airbases.

 

Greg

Edited August 15, 2016 by gregzagk

[microvax]

Greg its really a huge nerf that the gazelle doesnt have its laser sharks in this campaign !!!

 

!1111!1!!!outrage!11!!eleven!!!1!!!!!

[Roston]

I think there is a way to setup your Android as a virtual monitor? ABRIS is already a "viewport". I'm not that technically proficient to tell you how to do it, but I have mine on a separate monitor. So I would have to say that it would be possible.

 

Reaper6

 

Ok, thx. I will check.

[-Painter-]

@Reaper6 - Thanks for sharing! One point I did not find in your post: At what speeds you fly usually enroute?

In my Huey I felt like to have no chance to stay hidden for the red SU-27 and you :D Remember a situation when I landed near by a bridge in a river bed with my Huey wingman (Snowman) for like 10 minutes or more, completly cold. At one point we heard a helicopter coming and I was pretty sure he will just pass close by. But it was you, popping up on the last 1/4 mile just in front of us and you killed us both - no chance at all :D

 

Regards and thank you for being a great opponent. And in some way it was a pleasure :D

 

TAW_Painter

[Reaper6]

Where is this based on?

Red side almost won during this round and people were talking here about their huge advantage having the KA-50. Maybe you didn't follow the war during the 17 days.

 

 

 

 

During the whole Round 8 we had F-5 vs MiG-21 in forward airbases.

 

Greg

 

Greg,

Honestly I would take most of these posts with a grain of salt. This forum turned toxic so many times! You guys are doing an awesome job, and a majority of the complaints are complete BS. My only issue was not being able to refuel at FARPS. Other than that, the scenario was fine with me. There were allot of players I have never seen before in previous rounds, that made the scenario somewhat cancerous. There were advantages and disadvantages on both sides.

 

I think a majority of the players have absolutely NO CLUE what it actually takes to put an event like this together. Nor do they understand the man hours it takes to script and build a mission of this caliber. I personally thank you for all your crews hard effort for putting these events together.

 

Reaper6

[Jester Darrak]

Dear god, no!

 

Funny how both sides think their weapons are degraded in some way, almost like ED has a bias against everyone, or more likely they model based off of data. The mirage isn't bugged what are you talking about the missiles function perfectly fine. The A10 is an absolute beast compared to the nerfed Su-25t with reduced SEAD weapons and reduced SAMs so that the A10s are easier to use. I think the problem here is we are trying to do a Russia vs Nato in some places but not others. Riddle me this why if we are doing that at forward bases we have Mirage on Blue but on MiG-21 on Red 3rd Gen vs 4th Gen hardly fair. But then you have the Su25t having it's sead weapons nerfed and the sams nerfed to make it fair for the A10. We just need to have all aircraft on both sides with the same SAMs and then it will truly be fair or even just all full fidelity modules on both sides.

[Dave317]

OMG please NO! That's all I need is some idiotic AI flying around above me giving my position away. I would just end up committing fratricide to be honest!

 

Reaper6

 

I didn't say you had to use the AI. Would it be possible for it to be an option to have a wingman.

[-Painter-]

+1 - agree!

I personally had no problems to refuel the Huey at farps.

 

I like the east vs. west / NATO vs. Russia scenario.

 

Greg,

Honestly I would take most of these posts with a grain of salt. This forum turned toxic so many times! You guys are doing an awesome job, and a majority of the complaints are complete BS. My only issue was not being able to refuel at FARPS. Other than that, the scenario was fine with me. There were allot of players I have never seen before in previous rounds, that made the scenario somewhat cancerous. There were advantages and disadvantages on both sides.

 

I think a majority of the players have absolutely NO CLUE what it actually takes to put an event like this together. Nor do they understand the man hours it takes to script and build a mission of this caliber. I personally thank you for all your crews hard effort for putting these events together.

 

Reaper6

Edited August 15, 2016 by -Painter-

[Reaper6]

@Reaper6 - Thanks for sharing! One point I did not find in your post: At what speeds you fly usually enroute?

In my Huey I felt like to have no chance to stay hidden for the red SU-27 and you :D Remember a situation when I landed near by a bridge in a river bed with my Huey wingman (Snowman) for like 10 minutes or more, completly cold. At one point we heard a helicopter coming and I was pretty sure he will just pass close by. But it was you, popping up on the last 1/4 mile just in front of us and you killed us both - no chance at all :D

 

Regards and thank you for being a great opponent. And in some way it was a pleasure :D

 

TAW_Painter

 

My speed depends greatly on a number of things. Terrain, distance from enemy or objective, whether I have an Mi8 in tow, in-between towns that kind of stuff. I stop or slow regularly to scan and estimate an enemy Heli route. Generally I think if I was a Huey where would I travel, where would I hide, etc. It's a guessing game most of the time. The ABRIS helps SO much with the educated guess, considering there are usually only a few routes in and out of each objective. I would say if you want to hide from me, land in the open lol. I hardly ever pay attention to open areas or at least not as much as I do in covered areas.

 

I think a lot of it also come down to adjusting the Brightness and Contrast of the Shkval. If you can get it just right, you can spot things out of place pretty easily. GCI also plays a huge role sometimes, they may spot you for a split second. If I know your last known position I mark my ABRIS, I can generally find you based on the above techniques.

 

Reaper6

[Reaper6]

+1

I personally had no problems to refuel the Huey at farps.

 

Yeah I think it was just RED, it was such a pain to capture a FARP and before I could land and spawn there because I couldn't refuel. Someone else would jump into the KA50 slots.

 

Reaper6

[CheshireCat]

 

1. I actually just make up missions and go do them (..)
   
2. I wish I knew how to make videos to post on YouTube (..)
   
3. You can usually find me in the KA50 forum, I have posted tons of stuff in there. (..)
   
4. I use to have classes a while back once or twice a week. I don't do much multiplayer, but if you ever want to fly and I'm around I have no problems with that.
   

(1) Would you be willing to share your current one? (Since that seems to be the easiest.) It would be a great starting point to just tinker with something that has been properly set up. (For example, I'd have no idea about distances, or which enemy units to place, etc.)

 

(2) Honestly, I'd be more interested in commented pictures. I've seen screenshots where someone would say, "Alright so we want to go here [MS Paint mark on ABRIS] and here are three possible routes through the city that we can see right in front of us [more MS Paint lines]." It was a great way to communicate what you would probably describe as "everyone can see that" to people not used to looking at the terrain like that. Video content is a lot more effort and (I feel) often doesn't necessarily convey any more information.

 

(3) Very cool, I did not know that. I'll be sure to rummage around there!

 

(4) You mean classes as in flying together with someone to teach them about their (air) craft? If you're still interested in doing something like that, I'd definitely be up for it. I feel like there's a lot of very basic things that I (and probably many others) simply don't know or aren't aware of. I wouldn't expect to magically turn into a better pilot, but I'd imagine you could point out what to work towards in order for pilots like me to improve over time.

I'm on European time, and I've seen you in the BlueFlag air, so there seems to be some overlap for possible flight time -- if time and willingness permits, feel free to shoot me a line!

[RAZBAM_ELMO]

I think for next round keeping it east vs west with mig21 and f5 taking the lead fighter roles, su25a and a10a taking the a2g role and mi8 and huey for helos would be really cool and a great challenge. No fancy tech. I would suggest tho that if we do do a f5/mig21 scenario that we take the SAR missiles out for us migs as then it would be a pure a2a ir fight. The only debate for that would be why not add the gazelle? Maybe the m version but not the L. Also the ai spawn aircraft would have to be mig21 and f5 as well. Spotter aircraft could remain hawk/ l39 I think and air defences could be bumped down to tungustas or aaa platforms

 

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[mia389]

I think for next round keeping it east vs west with mig21 and f5 taking the lead fighter roles, su25a and a10a taking the a2g role and mi8 and huey for helos would be really cool and a great challenge. No fancy tech. I would suggest tho that if we do do a f5/mig21 scenario that we take the SAR missiles out for us migs as then it would be a pure a2a ir fight. The only debate for that would be why not add the gazelle? Maybe the m version but not the L. Also the ai spawn aircraft would have to be mig21 and f5 as well. Spotter aircraft could remain hawk/ l39 I think and air defences could be bumped down to tungustas or aaa platforms

 

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:thumbup:

 

CAS aircraft would be almost as effective as CAP :)

 

I think this would be a lot of fun!

[Sierra99]

We just need to have all aircraft on both sides with the same SAMs and then it will truly be fair or even just all full fidelity modules on both sides.

 

Uh no. I and many others want our RWR indications to be useful.

 

:doh::doh::doh:

[GGTharos]

Just force everyone to fly MiG-15's and Hueys. Perfectly fair for both sides. :D

[Sierra99]

Where is this based on?

Red side almost won during this round and people were talking here about their huge advantage having the KA-50. Maybe you didn't follow the war during the 17 days.

 

Exactly! 1 week ago Red team was goading Blue side for "giving up"... I saw some instances of 3-4 to one odds in their favor. This ain't about a single advantage over another. It's about teamwork

Edited August 15, 2016 by Sierra99

[Coxy_99]

Put blue north and Red south also? Or move farps to different area's