New in-cockpit map for proper WWII navigation

[QuiGon]

I think new page(s) for kneeboard with scrollable map (or maps for different scales) is a good solution.

Should looks like this but with different borders.

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=113295

 

Yeah, the map in this example is much better for navigation than the kneeboard map in DCS!

 

muahaha, kneeboard maps only and get rid of ctrl-k.

 

Is that the "mark own position on kneeboard"-command? If so, then yes! It's a cheat function that can't even be disable on multiplayer servers (really annoying if you want a server with the own aircraft position disabled on the F-10 map).

[karlmeyer25]

muahaha, kneeboard maps only and get rid of ctrl-k.

 

:renske:

 

I'm torn on this. On one hand as a new player this would've been awesome.

 

But now as a seasoned DCS'er and player on MP, I really like the historical accuracy of the kneeboard map. It forces you to raise your skills by learning the terrain, learning the nav aides in your aircraft, and in general, flying smarter.

 

I suppose a compromise solution is best. That being said, it doesn't seem smart for ED to try to accommodate the casual arcade player all that much. As its been pointed out, War Thunder and Aces High have captured that market. ED's brand and niche is the hardcore enthusiast. Trying to lure WH and AH players who enjoy the arcade airquake seems a bit naive although I too would love their dollars thrown into our community.

 

-SLACK

[Sokol1_br]

Kneeboard map on IL-2 Sturmovik WWII era movie (no "magnifying glass" in pilot hands): :D

 

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RAF navigation training film - WWII era navigation require planing. ;)

 

 

Maps in video looks the ones in CloD.

Edited August 25, 2016 by Sokol1_br

[Talisman_VR]

Kneeboard map on IL-2 Sturmovik WWII era movie (no "magnifying glass" in pilot hands): :D

 

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RAF navigation training film - WWII era navigation require planing. ;)

 

 

Maps in video looks the ones in CloD.

 

No map on kneeboard that I can see in this film, unless I missed it, as he is flying a pre-planned route from his route planner on the kneeboard. However, if he was to go off course, gets lost, or have to deviate from route to hide from bandits or avoid sudden bad weather, he would need to go to his map box and pull out the map to study it and work out a new navigation course on the fly.

To zoom in a little bit on a map would simulated holding the map nearer to closely study small details, so no need to simulate magnifying glass, lol. Such a slight zoom in would be in keeping with the pilot view zoom function principles that we have in other areas with DCS.

[Cripple]

When you fly 3 sorties a day for the duration of the campaign, and you know that the sea is North of the battle zone, picking out a landmark wouldn't be a huge consideration.

 

+1

 

That's certainly my plan for dealing with navigation under the (VR) hood. Dead-reckoning, then use landmarks - like the nice rivers in the area. Once the area we're flying over is finalised I'll get a (period) map of the same and study it to start to get a feel for it, and once we actually have a flyable map we (unlike our historical peers) have the option of taking a guns-off pootle about to learn the map.

 

Worst comes to the worst: fly north, find coast, fly west, find landing beaches. Found more coast? Fly east... find landing beaches. Land for tea and medals.:)

[bart]

I think new page(s) for kneeboard with scrollable map (or maps for different scales) is a good solution.

Should looks like this but with different borders.

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=113295

 

+100

 

This looks a great idea Racoon :thumbup:

[klem]

I think new page(s) for kneeboard with scrollable map (or maps for different scales) is a good solution.

Should looks like this but with different borders.

http://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=113295

 

That's more like it :)

 

Would there be a separate 'kneeboard', e.g. 'PocketMap', to avoid trawling through those kneeboard pages of airfield diagrams that would get in the way when trying to find the map page ('fold') that you need?

[Racoon]

To zoom in a little bit on a map would simulated holding the map nearer to closely study small details, so no need to simulate magnifying glass, lol. Such a slight zoom in would be in keeping with the pilot view zoom function principles that we have in other areas with DCS.

You can zoom a map in two different ways:

- arcade style (F10) when objects become visible when you zooming in

- true stule - when you moving map close to your eyes - like this http://digitalarchive.mcmaster.ca/islandora/object/macrepo:8802

 

The second variant is Ok for me.

And of course you can't put your position on the map with some magic hot key.

[Rakuzard]

The second variant sounds lovely, not only for WWII aircraft!

Although I would leave the 'put your position on the map' up to either the server or the mission designer.

[klem]

You can zoom a map in two different ways:

- arcade style (F10) when objects become visible when you zooming in

- true stule - when you moving map close to your eyes - like this http://digitalarchive.mcmaster.ca/islandora/object/macrepo:8802

 

The second variant is Ok for me.

And of course you can't put your position on the map with some magic hot key.

 

Definitely like the second choice especially with the mouse roller for zoom. I won't want 'my position' but for arcade play some might. The key thing is that it doesn't drag you out of the cockpit into a darkened room with a wall map-projector :)

[QuiGon]

And of course you can't put your position on the map with some magic hot key.

 

You can in DCS. It would be great if this could removed as soon as possible (or at least allow servers to disable it).

[Talisman_VR]

You can zoom a map in two different ways:

- arcade style (F10) when objects become visible when you zooming in

- true stule - when you moving map close to your eyes - like this http://digitalarchive.mcmaster.ca/islandora/object/macrepo:8802

 

The second variant is Ok for me.

And of course you can't put your position on the map with some magic hot key.

 

Hi Racoon,

 

Big thank you for looking into this issue :thumbup:

 

With you on the case the Normandy map could end up being the best map ever and everyone will want to fly on it every day possible with a variety of aircraft models and a variety of challenges on offer for pilots :)

 

I must say that your general approach to this and your communication on these forums is starting to full me with confidence that I am likely to be growing into DCS WWII in a big way and that I can get more of my squad mates interested in DCS too :joystick:

 

Thank you again.

 

Happy landings,

 

Talisman

[gavagai]

I'd like to thank Talisman for drawing attention to the forthcoming in-cockpit WW2 maps. It looks like lots of good has come from it. Thank you.:thumbup: