The Détecteur de Départ Missile (DDM) - Bugs and observations.

[Zeus67]

Please post here any bug or observation regarding DDM functionality.

[Esac_mirmidon]

It´s working but maybe its not working like i supossed to be.

 

With mandpads i´m not able to get the warning tone but with Strelas is working but look at the pics:

 

First Warning Tone and Vector to the Missiles at 11 o´clock.

 

 

But the Missile is launched from my 7 o´clock

 

 

Anther example

 

First Warning tone and vector to my 3 o´clock

 

 

But the missiles is on my 7 o´clock

 

 

Tracks Provided:

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=152688&d=1480697131

https://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=152689&d=1480697131

https://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=152690&d=1480697131

[CrashO]

The magic pylons do not have the new mode with the sensors yet.

D2M indicators only remain dark if the switch is in the A (OFF) position.

If the D2M is not available, the lights will blink with the switch in the M (ON) position.

 

You need to load magics in the outer.

Beyond that I will need a track file to check.

 

If the problem persist create a thread in the BUG subforum.

 

Note: I just tested the released aircraft with my "Suicide by SAM" mission. And I got the DDM screaming at me.

I tested it again and again and eventually found the problem. PEBKAC (as always) :D

The culprit was a mod I was running (Werewolf's M-2000C Nightvision mod). It missed the changes made to devices and devices_init.lua (DDM_IND) what caused it remove them, and thus removing their functionality.

 

 

All is good now :thumbup:

[Zeus67]

I tested it again and again and eventually found the problem. PEBKAC (as always) :D

The culprit was a mod I was running (Werewolf's M-2000C Nightvision mod). It missed the changes made to devices and devices_init.lua (DDM_IND) what caused it remove them, and thus removing their functionality.

 

 

All is good now :thumbup:

I'm glad you solved your problem.

[diditopgun]

Hi Zeus !

 

As said by Esac_mirmidon DDM don't work with manpad.

 

With Strela-1 (not tested Strela-10 yet) only first two missiles give a DDM alarm. Last two missiles don't give DDM alarm.

 

I made two tracks to show it's not because of a DDM blind zone (imho).

DDM1.trk

DDM2.trk

[paura19]

Confirm Esac_mirmidon's words

 

SA13 attack

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[Deezle]

It´s working but maybe its not working like i supossed to be.

 

With mandpads i´m not able to get the warning tone but with Strelas is working but look at the pics:

This is a current DCS problem. MANPADS have almost no smoke and do not trigger the MWS in the A-10C either.

[Dugong]

I have the same problem with the detection line being quite different from the Actual direction of launch.

 

Also i have sometimes the warning sound with no line at all.

[Esac_mirmidon]

It seems that the first one ore two launch are detected and pointed in the RWR, the next ones had only the tone warning but no lines, when the missiles are launched in quick sucession.

[Commandz]

It's a bit odd, I have a missile launched directly at 12 o' clock with me banking slightly left but it shows it's coming from my 10-11 o' clock on RWR, using Zeus's mission. Then I tested a quick put together mission and like others manpads are not seen and RWR shows the threat position almost opposite of where it's actually launched.

[Rlaxoxo]

Encountered similar problems

[blast]

I also report a minor bug with the map key of the d2m. We can't use shortcut key with on/off switch.

[blast]

By the way i was killed by R27ET with no warning at all despite the d2m was ON of course. It happened 2 times.

[Rlaxoxo]

By the way i was killed by R27ET with no warning at all despite the d2m was ON of course. It happened 2 times.

 

What happen in detail those missiles have huge range and if the missile went in the DDM range with no engine burning ofc it wouldn't detect it and this considering that was launched WITHIN DDM track area

[blast]

What happen in detail those missiles have huge range and if the missile went in the DDM range with no engine burning ofc it wouldn't detect it and this considering that was launched WITHIN DDM track area

 

It also happened with aim9m too. And many times with r27. That feature seems to works only when it wants...

 

Please Razbam, save us!

Edited December 4, 2016 by blast

[myHelljumper]

It work as it should, it will not always detect missiles. Range, angle of the plane, angle of the missile, active motor or not, type of missile... are the variables that makes the detection possible or not.

 

From my tests, it works as expected.

 

If you are sure it is a bug please provide à track so we can look at it. ;)

[Rlaxoxo]

It's buggy sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't : /

[myHelljumper]

If you are sure it is a bug please provide à track so we can look at it. ;)

 

:thumbup:

[Whisper]

It also happened with aim9m too. And many times with r27. That feature seems to works only when it wants...

 

Please Razbam, save us!

 

It's not designed to be a magic 100% proof warning tool.

It only detects below your airframe, for instance. It's supposed to be a warning for ground pounders when a IR SAM is launched at them. Not for dogfights.

[zaelu]

It also happened with aim9m too. And many times with r27. That feature seems to works only when it wants...

 

Please Razbam, save us!

 

Read this:

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2963498&postcount=1

 

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2969690&postcount=162

 

and

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=2969718&postcount=165

 

 

These sensors are not your magic saviors. What you want exists only in Battlefield games. If implemented properly in DCS they should help sometimes if the threat is in their range and maybe if they are not confused (aka turn them towards the Sun, Explosions, etc).

 

So don't trust your life to them because you will die most of the times then.

[Rlaxoxo]

It's not designed to be a magic 100% proof warning tool.

It only detects below your airframe, for instance. It's supposed to be a warning for ground pounders when a IR SAM is launched at them. Not for dogfights.

 

Nah dude it's buggy somewhat, If you try it your self in the mission it will warn you first them then completely ignore following 10 missiles.

 

Even if you position your self perfectly to detect them

[zaelu]

Disregarding time? I think (thought?) that the alarm will be present 10 seconds so maybe after first alarm no other alarm will be given for 10 seconds? Or maybe the bug is here... like the counter doesn't reset after 10 seconds?

[Whisper]

Nah dude it's buggy somewhat, If you try it your self in the mission it will warn you first them then completely ignore following 10 missiles.

 

Even if you position your self perfectly to detect them

 

I can understand that, but "It didn't warn me about an incoming <Insert AA missile here>" is probably the intended behavior. Let's not complain about something the D2M should NOT do.

[Azrayen]

The DDM really doesn't care what missile type it is.

 

It only sees a burning thing and reports it.

 

IRL such systems are prone to false positives too.

[Whisper]

Dammit .... Yes, I know it's not about the missile type ... I'm just saying it's designed (downward looking detection device) for detecting ground-based missiles, and having air to air missiles not detected is probably most of the time normal behaviour (BFM mostly include turning into your opponent, which means he will be on your upward hemisphere) and should not be reported as a bug.