Breaking Wings

[HeadHunter52]

I seem to be able to tear off the outer wing sections, or remove the wings entirely in high Gs approaching black out.

 

Is this to be expected? The Stang can do similar things, but it takes a bit more work to break it.

[HeadHunter52]

Aileron Trim

 

Is there any aileron trim on the Spit?

[DefaultFace]

Not sure about the wing tearing. Maybe the stick forces aren't implemented yet? I've heard this said a couple of times but tbh have no clue.

 

AFA aileron trim no it doesn't

[Hiromachi]

I'm not entirely sure pilot should have enough strength to pull so hard, first you'd black out anyway. This is a scan from one of my books:

 

Of course that is earlier Spitfire, but then again, I assume that company reacted properly to weight increase of the airframe.

[NineLine]

Did you stress the wings a number of times in one flight, I believe this effects their durability as well.

[Rlaxoxo]

I'm not entirely sure pilot should have enough strength to pull so hard, first you'd black out anyway. This is a scan from one of my books:

 

Of course that is earlier Spitfire, but then again, I assume that company reacted properly to weight increase of the airframe.

 

Meanwhile P-51 wings go away at 7+ g's

[Ala13_ManOWar]

I'm not entirely sure pilot should have enough strength to pull so hard, first you'd black out anyway.

It's early release. All the modules before lacked features until final release state, and probably we still don't have the kind of pilot strength modelling we already have in other modules. I think I also notice prop-wash is still lacking, and so forth. Every module is the same, features flesh out them slowly until final release.

 

 

S!

[Hiromachi]

Meanwhile P-51 wings go away at 7+ g's

Yeah, I always wondered what was with that one. Especially after seeing P-51D Galloping Ghost crash at Reno in 2011, when vertical acceleration went over 17 G's, pilot lost consciousness instantly but wings did not separate or break.

 

It's early release. All the modules before lacked features until final release state, and probably we still don't have the kind of pilot strength modelling we already have in other modules. I think I also notice prop-wash is still lacking, and so forth. Every module is the same, features flesh out them slowly until final release.

S!

 

Yes, that is true ManOWar. Although I'd not expect Spitfire to change greatly in this regard, it was known for light elevator controls, short stick motion added to that, makes it problematic. But again, to pull that many G's ...

It's usually the pilot that cant take as high loads, airframes are built with decent safety factors after all.

[mjmorrow]

I seem to be able to tear off the outer wing sections, or remove the wings entirely in high Gs approaching black out.

 

Is this to be expected? The Stang can do similar things, but it takes a bit more work to break it.

 

I'm wondering if that is a feature or just a result of the Spitfire being in Beta and lacking a feature? The Spitfire is a fun module for single player, but a frustrating death trap in multiplayer. It is bad enough that the Spitfire is relatively slow, but at the present state of the Spitfire module development, the Spitfire is an outright lousy dogfighter, too. If you get slow in a dogfight, your engine seizes. If you stay fast, you blackout or your wings rip off. Currently, the Mustang is a much better choice in a dogfight, especially better at abruptly changing the direction you are pointing your lift vector line. Still, the Spitfire is still a Beta, so a lot can change between now and final release.

 

For now, I am going to consider the Spitfire a single player ride. The Spitfire isn't a challenge online, it is the DCS Multiplayer reenactment of VM Yeates Winged Victory. The Spitfire is fun to cruise around in, but it is hopelessly outclassed online. If you stay fast in the K4 or D9, you might as well be facing a Sopwith Camel, having the DCS Spitfire as an opponent. The K4 and D9 sim pilots can come and go as they please and even stick around and dogfight, knowing that the Spitfire sim-pilot will almost guaranteed seize his engine, blackout or rip his own wings off. For multiplayer, the P-51 Mustang is the one competitive online Allied module.

Edited January 2, 2017 by mjmorrow

[razo+r]

Damage model is still WIP, but anyway, the Spitfire is more a turnfighter and not a raceplane

 

About ripping your wings, since the elevators are very effective, watch out for pulling too hard, which results in wing break or blackout

[Burning Bridges]

I can still tear off the wings at 550 km/h and that is hard to believe.

[joey45]

don't pull back so hard.