Nose steering

[HoYa]

To disengage nose steering, take off n landing, do you need to keep the button or key pressed or is it a turn on/off ?

 

Thanks

[razo+r]

If you apply rudder on ground, it automaticly also takes that input and puts it to the nws, except the A-10A, where at a certain speed, the nws disengages

 

As far as i know, there's no button to turn it off or on

[HoYa]

No, I mean when not taxi-Ing and ready to take off. You disable the nose steering, right...

 

 

Is it an on/off button or key you hit once or you you need to keep it pressed ??

[razo+r]

no there is not

 

not in a FC 3 aircraft

[razo+r]

Also you would have nws on until a certain speed

[Svend_Dellepude]

NWS seems to turn off by itself now when reaching a certain speed.

[HoYa]

Mmmmm, interesting. I did not buy FC3, I bought the a10a and f15c, and it is almost impossible to land take off without pushing in a disable NS button.

[razo+r]

I don't know if it has, but for me, it's like the F-15 has kind of like a NWS limiter, maybe it turns it even off at a certain speed like the A-10a

[GGTharos]

In the eagle this is automated.

[riproren]

Gentle use of your rudders is required to take off and upon touch down and roll out. It takes some practice.

 

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[SinusoidDelta]

I don't know if it has, but for me, it's like the F-15 has kind of like a NWS limiter, maybe it turns it even off at a certain speed like the A-10a

 

The F-15 NWS is engaged whenever the nose strut is compressed (weight on wheels relay in the diagram below). I don't know if it is modeled as such currently.

[fitness88]

F-15:

"S" Nose Gear Maneuvering Range "J" Nose Gear Steering Disengage

[Winston 60]

F-15:

 

"S" Nose Gear Maneuvering Range "J" Nose Gear Steering Disengage

and finally............. the correct answer is revealed! ....almost.

Edited December 24, 2016 by Winston 60

[Svend_Dellepude]

The right answer would be that you should not manually disengage NWS for T/O and landings.

[Winston 60]

:xmas: I don't think so. If you re-read the original post, the gentleman's question was:

To disengage nose steering, take off n landing, do you need to keep the button or key pressed or is it a turn on/off ?

 

Thanks

While trying to be helpful I'm sure, everybody nicely danced around the original question or provided incorrect information, opinion, personal preference, real aircraft specifications, or information that did not precisely answer the original question. So the correct answer would be: Yes, you have to hold the "Nose Gear Steering Disengage" key/button. It is not a press for on then press again for off. Whether one chooses to use or not to use the disengage key/button or use or not use the maneuvering range key/button (to increase the ground turn radius) is up to personal preference I think. Both are valid controls and are working in our DCS F-15C module. I don't think any of the answers here really properly answered his question but nevertheless were interesting to read.

 

Merry Christmas all. :xmas:

Edited December 25, 2016 by Winston 60

[probad]

of course the op could have just spend 5 minutes in the mission editor and discovered the answer for himself. would have been faster and more accurate.

[SinusoidDelta]

:xmas: I don't think so. If you re-read the original post, the gentleman's question was:

 

While trying to be helpful I'm sure, everybody nicely danced around the original question or provided incorrect information, opinion, personal preference, real aircraft specifications, or information that did not precisely answer the original question. So the correct answer would be: Yes, you have to hold the "Nose Gear Steering Disengage" key/button. It is not a press for on then press again for off. Whether one chooses to use or not to use the disengage key/button or use or not use the maneuvering range key/button (to increase the ground turn radius) is up to personal preference I think. Both are valid controls and are working in our DCS F-15C module. I don't think any of the answers here really properly answered his question but nevertheless were interesting to read.

 

Merry Christmas all. :xmas:

 

The OP was not asking about key bindings. Based on the fact that OP created this thread, one can infer he already knew those controls exist.

 

He is asking how or if they should be used. The question was about how the system works during take off/landing and if you manually need to disangage it.

 

The answer is, the NWS disengage function is unnecessary and redundant. It's a relic from the previous PFM. You do not need to hold the NWS disengage during TO roll or landing for NWS to disengage. Once the nose strut is no longer compressed (around 90kts IIRC) NWS is disabled. Keep full aft stick applied at nosewheel touchdown to ensure the nose strut does not compress prematurely. Be very gentle with rudder applications. All things posted in this thread.

 

I'm certainly guilty of giving RL data that may not accurate to what's in the code but it's the best place to start when the devs won't tell us the specifics. Maybe it's not a good approach. Not-so-politely dismissing the validity of every post in a thread and exclaiming a single correct answer exists when that is not at all the case is frankly unnecessary.

[Winston 60]

The OP was not asking about key bindings. Based on the fact that OP created this thread, one can infer he already knew those controls exist.

 

He is asking how or if they should be used. The question was about how the system works during take off/landing and if you manually need to disangage it.

 

The answer is, the NWS disengage function is unnecessary and redundant. It's a relic from the previous PFM. You do not need to hold the NWS disengage during TO roll or landing for NWS to disengage. Once the nose strut is no longer compressed (around 90kts IIRC) NWS is disabled. Keep full aft stick applied at nosewheel touchdown to ensure the nose strut does not compress prematurely. Be very gentle with rudder applications. All things posted in this thread.

 

I'm certainly guilty of giving RL data that may not accurate to what's in the code but it's the best place to start when the devs won't tell us the specifics. Maybe it's not a good approach. Not-so-politely dismissing the validity of every post in a thread and exclaiming a single correct answer exists when that is not at all the case is frankly unnecessary.

:smartass: I appreciate your post on the actual F-15 nose wheel system. I found your information fascinating and a good read, nothing wrong with bringing actual F-15 systems info here for us to read. I just took the OP's first post literally and noticed that no one was quite answering his question precisely about whether that key needed to be held down or was toggled on/off.

 

Here is his original posted question:

To disengage nose steering, take off n landing, do you need to keep the button or key pressed or is it a turn on/off ?

 

Thanks

Strangely the discussion turned into whether the disconnect should be used at all, and migrated away from the initial question asked which was "do you need to keep the button or key pressed or is it a turn on/off". I personally use those two functions quite often (programmed to buttons) when I taxi, roll for takeoff and on landing the F-15C. It's interesting to see so many different ways people use or don't use those two functions to effectively taxi, takeoff, and land the DCS F-15C.

 

So please, post more info on actual F-15 systems any time. Maybe more accurate modeling and additional features will make it's way into our module in the future. :thumbup:

[HoYa]

All right !!

 

We actually got an answer to the question that was asked. Thanks to all who replied and gave advice, whether it helped or not. As a newbie I do appreciate the effort. Well, actually thanks to all except for Probad.