Bullitthead Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 (edited) Does anyone know what the sidearm's max range is? Edit- found it in this link: https://www.onwar.com/weapons/rocket/missiles/USA_AGM122.html Looks like max range is 17 Km about 10.5 miles. Edited October 15, 2017 by Bullitthead
Beamscanner Posted October 15, 2017 Posted October 15, 2017 (edited) Can the Sidearm be used against enemy aircraft painting you (like the R-27EP)? Guessing not cause of the radar bands, but still? Supposedly it can see SA-8 and ZSU-23 emissions (7-15GHz). Most fighter radars fall between 9 and 13GHz. So it should be able to see them. However, as I mentioned earlier, it probably doesn't perform well against a radar that is scanning. I think for there to be a chance of homing in properly, the fighter radar would need to be locked on to you. It would also only be a forward aspect missile. It for sure uses PN guidance, just like the AIM-9M. It needs to have a similar fuse as well (IDK if it does or not). If it doesnt have a fuse, then you could probably lock on and launch the missile but considering it uses PN guidance with a 20Hz conical scan seeker in a head on engagement, it will probably miss the target. That scan rate is too low IMO considering the high closure rate between the missile and the target for it to directly hit the aircraft. For those naysayers, who think that because the missile isnt meant to hit air radar that it cant, here's a good read on its much more sophisticated predecessor hitting a B-52 tail gunner radar. http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/10314/the-time-a-f-4g-wild-weasels-anti-radiation-missile-blew-apart-a-b-52s-tail EDIT: in case it wasn't clear. the AGM-122 was not designed to hit airborne radars. The real question is what measures were put in place to physically prevent the seeker from tracking an airborne emission, if any? In all likely hood, I think the aircraft using it did their best to stay out of any airborne fight. So i doubt it has any measures to prevent the A2A engagement, because the helo or strike pilot was the biggest denier of an air engagment. Edited October 15, 2017 by Beamscanner 1
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Alicatt Posted October 23, 2017 Posted October 23, 2017 If you want some antenna theory direct from the US Navy they have a book on radar and electronic warfare that is unclassified at http://www.navair.navy.mil/nawcwd/ewssa/downloads/NAWCWD%20TP%208347.pdf At page 76 starts the theory of antennas and radio wave reception. 1 Sons of Dogs, Come Eat Flesh Clan Cameron
ebabil Posted October 23, 2017 Posted October 23, 2017 if this thing is not produced anymore, what do harriers use as ARMs? FC3 | UH-1 | Mi-8 | A-10C II | F/A-18 | Ka-50 III | F-14 | F-16 | AH-64 | Mi-24 | F-5 | F-15E| F-4| Tornado Persian Gulf | Nevada | Syria | NS-430 | Supercarrier // Wishlist: CH-53 | UH-60 Youtube MS FFB2 - TM Warthog - CH Pro Pedals - Trackir 5
drPhibes Posted October 23, 2017 Posted October 23, 2017 Nothing, according to the manuals. The only AGMs mentioned there are the 65-series and the 122. Wikipedia claims that it can carry the AGM-88, but without any official info I'd be sceptical of these claims.
Zeus67 Posted October 25, 2017 Posted October 25, 2017 if this thing is not produced anymore, what do harriers use as ARMs? Nothing. They are not rated to use HARMs. Instead they are now using advanced ECM pods. The latest one is the AN/ALQ-231 Intrepid Tiger II, that has evolved from a communications jammer to a full spectrum jammer (radar and radio). In this way it can provide the same ECM coverage of an EA-6B Prowler. https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/systems/an-alq-231.htm "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware type with a program patch and a user with an idea."
GGTharos Posted October 25, 2017 Posted October 25, 2017 (edited) That's a dangerous thing to say, it implies things that aren't true :D In this way it can provide the same ECM coverage of an EA-6B Prowler. Edited October 25, 2017 by GGTharos [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Zeus67 Posted October 25, 2017 Posted October 25, 2017 That's a dangerous thing to say, it implies things that aren't true :D Since the Intrepid Tiger II is a current heavily classified system, we do not know what its current capabilities are. We do know that the USMC wants it to be a full spectrum jammer so they can retire their EA-6B fleet. The IT II is being fielded as we speak. The USMC requested the upgrade in 2013 and now we are in 2017. It is possible that now they have their full spectrum jammer pod. Specially since it seems all it requires is a software upgrade. "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware type with a program patch and a user with an idea."
cordite Posted October 27, 2017 Posted October 27, 2017 I'm not seeing this on the pre-order page. Is this something that's being added later?
Zeus67 Posted October 28, 2017 Posted October 28, 2017 I'm not seeing this on the pre-order page. Is this something that's being added later? Just an error. The missile will be available on day one. "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware type with a program patch and a user with an idea."
Sneak69 Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) Nothing, according to the manuals. The only AGMs mentioned there are the 65-series and the 122. Wikipedia claims that it can carry the AGM-88, but without any official info I'd be sceptical of these claims. Everything I find says the AV-8B can carry the AGM-88. Heres one link for example https://www.military.com/equipment/av-8b-harrier-ii Is the AGM-88 going to come out for the AV-8B (DCS) as well? I hope so :) Edited December 12, 2017 by Sneak69
GGTharos Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 The AV-8B never carried either harpoons or HARMs. The AV-8B+ is apparently capable, but that's not the jet we have. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Sneak69 Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 The AV-8B never carried either harpoons or HARMs. The AV-8B+ is apparently capable, but that's not the jet we have.It can though... everything out there says the AV-8B (NOT plus) can carry it. Boeing BAE AV8B Harrier II - NATO PDFhttps://jfcbs.nato.int › file_download Sent from my SM-G930W8 using Tapatalk
Sealpup Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 It can though... everything out there says the AV-8B (NOT plus) can carry it. Boeing BAE AV8B Harrier II - NATO PDFhttps://jfcbs.nato.int › file_download Sent from my SM-G930W8 using Tapatalk Having a hard time with the site you listed now. But the site you listed before, which does show HARM and Harpoon capability also shows compatibility with the AMRAAM. So at least one of the sites you're referencing seems to be talking about the Plus and not the Night Attack.
Sneak69 Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 Having a hard time with the site you listed now. But the site you listed before, which does show HARM and Harpoon capability also shows compatibility with the AMRAAM. So at least one of the sites you're referencing seems to be talking about the Plus and not the Night Attack.Very true, them mixing the AMRAAM doesn't help. I uploaded the file from the second post. Here you can see how they separate the AMRAAM as a plus only feature but they do not do that with any other weapon. Sent from my SM-G930W8 using Tapatalk https://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/5a2f776256a77/Boeing__BAE_AV8B_Harrier_II.pdfBoeing__BAE_AV8B_Harrier_II.pdf
Sneak69 Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) If you sourced some official manufacturer/navy documentation instead of a PDF based on an online magazine and wikipedia RAZBAM might be more inclined to take it seriously.Ok but source something that says the harm is only on the plus variant then? I found this but it doesn't list anything about SEAD weapons at all. (Added the full doc as well looks like it has good info in there. From Naval Air Systems Command)201968990-av-8b.rar Edited December 12, 2017 by Sneak69 add pic and link
GGTharos Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 That's out of the actual aircraft manual. And it's why you don't see an 88. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Sneak69 Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) That's out of the actual aircraft manual. And it's why you don't see an 88. Also don't see the AGM-122... Edited December 12, 2017 by Sneak69
Zeus67 Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 The 2002 TACMAN details the Sidearm and how to employ it. "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware type with a program patch and a user with an idea."
Sneak69 Posted December 12, 2017 Posted December 12, 2017 The 2002 TACMAN details the Sidearm and how to employ it.Thank you sir.
vparez Posted December 23, 2017 Posted December 23, 2017 So, does the sidearm need IR cool or not? I know it doesn't have an IR detector, but is the IR cooling activation used to cool down its antirad seeker electronics? Also, why is the external texture showing something like an IR seeker nose on the ingame sidearm? Every photo of the sidearm I saw has the nose of the missile painted the same color as the body. Any plans on changing this?
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