ECM and SEAD

[ESAc_matador]

Two questions...

 

what Anti Radar Missiles will be included, I guess the AGM88, and what about the AGM45??

 

And which ECM pods will be carrying, if any?

 

Thanks

[Revelation]

AGM-45 has been phased out for quite a while.

 

Not sure about EM pods, curious as well. I do not believe it will matter much until ED has some time to devote to further flush out and refine radar energy, detection and counter measures.

[RaceFuel85]

AGM-45 has been phased out for quite a while.

 

Not sure about EM pods, curious as well. I do not believe it will matter much until ED has some time to devote to further flush out and refine radar energy, detection and counter measures.

 

The Shrike and the HARM served side by side for a while..about 7 years or so. It was kept around for lower threat targets that required less range and speed than the HARM was capable of and because it was pretty darn cheap. F-4G's shot a bunch of them (pretty much the majority of the remaining stockpile) in Desert Storm. They were ultimately retired in 92.

 

So..it's not unrealistic if the Hornet is getting the Walleye modeled that it would have the Shrike also.

[whiteladder]

Wikipedia has them f-4g shooting about 92 during Desert Storm

[DAN]

As far as I know the Hornet used the HARM from day one. The ECM jammer/pod on the Hornet are in the pylons. They looked fatter than the regular ones.

[Gandalf_56]

We have been informed that ED will model by now only the current F/A 18C squadrons skins so, this is the versión that will be on Air officially at release.

Nowadays current anti radar missile is the AGM 88 HARM. We will wait until official confirmation but I'm guessing too that the AGM88 will be the chosen

 

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Edited June 21, 2017 by Gandalf_56

[Kayos]

Wasn't the HARM already confirmed?

[elchacal]

Wasn't the HARM already confirmed?

 

So far, there is no confirmation.

[Vlerkies]

Growlers would be epic! maybe one day.

[amalahama]

Wasn't the HARM already confirmed?

 

No HARM in DCS: F-18 would be a BIG miss. I don't think ED is going to make such mistake.

 

Regards!

[wilky510]

The AGM88 was mentioned: https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3167340&postcount=230

[Jhuss96]

Growlers would be epic! maybe one day.

 

+11111 My absolute favorite aircraft, I'm hoping ED can (at least with ai) model some basic electronic warfare (even if a lot of it is guess work due to it's classified nature), it would add a more complete experience for mission creators in my opinion. Maybe some day get a module dedicated to it. lol sorry for going a bit off topic :pilotfly:

[Kayos]

The AGM88 was mentioned: https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3167340&postcount=230

 

Ah, that's it. I knew I saw it somewhere.

[Kev2go]

The Shrike and the HARM served side by side for a while..about 7 years or so. It was kept around for lower threat targets that required less range and speed than the HARM was capable of and because it was pretty darn cheap. F-4G's shot a bunch of them (pretty much the majority of the remaining stockpile) in Desert Storm. They were ultimately retired in 92.

 

So..it's not unrealistic if the Hornet is getting the Walleye modeled that it would have the Shrike also.

 

thing is, out F/A18C Hornet LOt 20 was Produced in 1998 ( last major batch), and will be getting the AMPCD (an LCD) (advanced multi purpose colour display) a replacement for the older CRT MPCD as well as the 9x and HMCS, which were 2000s post production upgrades.

 

SO i would not expect a 21st century era Hornet to have AGM45s in Inventory, simply because it was phased out by 92.

Edited June 22, 2017 by Kev2go

[Rammit]

thing is, out F/A18C Hornet LOt 20 was Produced in 1998 ( last major batch), and will be getting the AMPCD (an LCD) (advanced multi purpose colour display) a replacement for the older CRT MPCD as well as the 9x and HMCS, which were 2000s post production upgrades.

 

SO i would not expect a 21st century era Hornet to have AGM45s in Inventory, simply because it was phased out by 92.

 

However, taking the MiG-21 as an example, the model which we have was unable to provide guidance for the Kh-66. Yet due for gameplay reasons the missile was included, so in terms of the DCS environment the IRL use or retirement of a weapon system does not necessarily reflect on the weapon systems provided with the module for one reason or another, a thing which I am whole heartedly in favour of

[Chrinik]

We make gameplay concessions all the time, especially in multiplayer. "80ies scenario" with A-10C? Nobody seems to have a problem with those.

So if our beloved Hornet is going to be excluded from limited loadout servers because it doesn´t have "phased out" Aim-7s or other, older weapons, that would be hugely disappointing to me.

 

I´ll take what they give me, but the ability to "stand in" for older lagacy Hornets by tweaking the available arsenal would be a nice option to have. Also the ability to play around with different weapon eras and compare them, etc.

 

If, however, the Lot20 is incompatible with these weapons entirely for some reason, then no, leave them out.

[Ocelotunit]

Does the Hornet use an HTM (HARM targeting pod)?

 

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[mvsgas]

Only USAF F-16CM/DM block 40 to 52 (after CCIP update) use the HTS pod. AFAIK, all other aircraft that use the AGM-88 (even other countries using the F-16) use internal systems or the missile it self as targeting systems.

Edited June 22, 2017 by mvsgas

[ALF7]

The Target Of Opportunity (TOO) mode, also termed the HARM as Sensor (HAS) or Direct Attack (DA) mode is a lock-on-before-launch (LOBL) mode in which the missile receiver is used before launch to acquire the target. This mode allows off axis attacks on emitters within the field of view of the seeker. It is typically used as an offensive mode by non-dedicated strike aircraft to suppress emitters.

 

The Self Protect or Launch Off RWR (SP/LOR) mode is a short to medium range mode used defensively to engage targets within 360 degrees of the launch aircraft. In SP mode the HARM is slaved to the aircraft's RWR and given a prioritised list of threats. The highest priority threat will be engaged after launch. The SP/LOR mode is similar to the TOO/HAS/DA mode, but provides a larger search footprint.

 

http://www.ausairpower.net/API-AGM-88-HARM.html

[Kev2go]

However, taking the MiG-21 as an example, the model which we have was unable to provide guidance for the Kh-66. Yet due for gameplay reasons the missile was included, so in terms of the DCS environment the IRL use or retirement of a weapon system does not necessarily reflect on the weapon systems provided with the module for one reason or another, a thing which I am whole heartedly in favour of

 

thats a different developer however. Different teams have different standards, frankly LN team took alot of flak for that Kh66 inclusion. quite alot don't seem to like the Kh66 or the fact that a unrealisitc moving pipper was added for Ir lock ( although with the latter they added an option to disable it)

 

BSt for eg did not add the AGM65 ( even though they wanted to include a second version with this capability) on the F5E because of lack of documentation. ED has also has a reputation for a approach with lesser concessions. As of now tha AGm45 is not confirmed by ED, but again given that the hornet did not use it , it is wishful thinking to expect it otherwise. Even Razba,m due to Community pressure decided against Concessions and thus our M2000C does not have Excocet Missile.

 

there really is no logic anyhow for game play reasons because normally such features are considered to expand capabilities. Here its not necessary because the AGM88 harm is a far more modern & more capable SEAD missile anyhow, which was still available as far back in the 80s. so even with a earlier Clot you'd still have those available.

Edited June 22, 2017 by Kev2go

[Kev2go]

So if our beloved Hornet is going to be excluded from limited loadout servers because it doesn´t have "phased out" Aim-7s or other, older weapons, that would be hugely disappointing to me.

 

I´ll take what they give me, but the ability to "stand in" for older lagacy Hornets by tweaking the available arsenal would be a nice option to have. Also the ability to play around with different weapon eras and compare them, etc.

 

If, however, the Lot20 is incompatible with these weapons entirely for some reason, then no, leave them out.

 

but the difference is aim7M is still technically in service , even if they are almost never used for combat anymore( being steadily phased out since 90s for Aim120 series), they still see some use in Training Exercises.

 

Below an image of a USMC Hornet in 2009 ( departing Nellis AFB) with the AIm7M & Aim9X combo.

 

 

so no worries there. Aim7M is therefore likely to be included.

Edited June 23, 2017 by Kev2go

[DAN]

Legacy and SH over Syria with AIM-7

 

[Kev2go]

Legacy and SH over Syria with AIM-7

 

 

nice>

 

also with a Aim120 mix on the other wing

[remi]

Modeling a growler would probably not be possible, the ECM technology is pretty well protected by the government.

[Sweep]

Modeling a growler would probably not be possible, the ECM technology is pretty well protected by the government.

 

It isn't.

 

You can get a good enough understanding of electronic warfare if you have the time. If you want a really high level understanding you need time and lots of money.

 

With that 'good enough' understanding somebody could build an excellent EW model in the sim. Not 100% real, but not some total guessing game either.

 

As for Hornet EW specifics - You don't have exact display layouts among other things (this stuff is protected, ofc!)- But anyone's imagination, based on what is known about this stuff, would suffice.

Edited June 23, 2017 by Sweep