Shadow KT Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 What kind of data link does the plane operate with ? How does it compare to to the A-10C Data Link and the Su-27/33 Data Link 'Shadow' Everybody gotta be offended and take it personally now-a-days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejjvid Posted August 24, 2017 Share Posted August 24, 2017 We will get a crippled version just like in the A-10C. It all depends on what open data ED managed to obtain. And what ED decides to implement. I have not seen any info on ED's implementation. i7 8700K | GTX 1080 Ti | 32GB RAM | 500GB M.2 SSD | TIR5 w/ Trackclip Pro | TM Hotas Warthog | Saitek Pro Flight Rudder [sigpic]http://www.132virtualwing.org[/sigpic] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckeye Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 I just really, really hope it's a good one. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk VR Cockpit (link): Custom Throttletek F/A-18C Throttle w/ Hall Sensors + Otto switches | Slaw Device RX Viper Pedals w/ Damper | VPC T-50 Base + 15cm Black Sahaj Extension + TM Hornet or Warthog Grip | Super Warthog Wheel Stand Pro | Steelcase Leap V2 + JetSeat SE VR Rig: Pimax 5K+ | ASUS ROG Strix 1080Ti | Intel i7-9700K | Gigabyte Z390 Aorus Master | Corsair H115i RGB Platinum | 32GB Corsair Vengeance Pro RGB 3200 | Dell U3415W Curved 3440x1440 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beamscanner Posted August 25, 2017 Share Posted August 25, 2017 (edited) LINK-16 http://www.northropgrumman.com/Capabilities/DataLinkProcessingAndManagement/Documents/Understanding_Voice+Data_Link_Networking.pdf F/A-18 integration https://www.researchgate.net/publication/264742534_Multifunctional_Information_Distribution_System_MIDS_Low_Volume_Terminal_LVT_Development_and_Integration_Programs_Towards_LINK-16_Network_Centric_AlliedCoalition_Operations Link-16 messages https://www.viasat.com/sites/default/files/legacy/assets/Link16_NPG_Message_Card_100112a.pdf Big questions are 1. what messages can the F/A-18C recieve? 2. what messages can it transmit 3. how much information can be stored/displayed 4. how often do tracks or messages get updated Edited August 25, 2017 by Beamscanner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow KT Posted August 25, 2017 Author Share Posted August 25, 2017 So from what I am reading here, the A-10 has a different system from what the Hornet has (Link 16), but they can both communicate with each other ? from page 207 of the link-16 pdf Does that also means, if lets say the A-10 had an radar and locked and air threat it could share it with F-18 and vice versa 'Shadow' Everybody gotta be offended and take it personally now-a-days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICS_Vortex Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 So from what I am reading here, the A-10 has a different system from what the Hornet has (Link 16), but they can both communicate with each other ? Don't know if some real F/A-18 have DataLink16, but, ED Team already told us, that our Hornet will have DataLink 4 and it won't be able "to talk" with A-10C in DCS World. Follow your topics, dude)))) PC: i9-10850K ~5.2GHz / Asus Rog Strix H490 Gaming, Asus GTX1080 Rog Strix Gaming OC, HyperX Fury RGB 32Gb RAM 3200MHz, SSD 512Gb, HDD 1Tb, Windows 10 x64. 2 x Samsung Curved 32" VirpilControls software engineer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sobek Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Don't know if some real F/A-18 have DataLink16, but, ED Team already told us, that our Hornet will have DataLink 4 and it won't be able "to talk" with A-10C in DCS World. Source? I remember Olgerd saying that they want to model the gateway. Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probad Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 IRL, USN F/A-18 and A-10C can see each other via Link 16 gateways only. However US Marines F/A-18 and A-10C can report their positions via VMF messages (and thus, potentially to see each other directly). We do USN F/A-18, and ideally we would like to introduce a 'normal' Link 16 implementation with AI support, plus to split EPRLS and Link 16 networks. It is still in question regarding Link 4 functions related to AA intercepts, as Link 16 completely implements similar functionality. We would like to implement it as well, but only after we are satisfied with Link 16 functionality (as still have time for it). ~~~ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev2go Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 (edited) What kind of data link does the plane operate with ? How does it compare to to the A-10C Data Link and the Su-27/33 Data Link given they are simulating a 21st century F/A18C hornet ( as noted by post production upgraded features such as aim9x, HMCS, and AMPCD that replaced the older CRT MPCD for navigation/mapping) it is practically guaranteed to have a modern datalink, which in this case would be the Link16. Whole point of Link 16 being standardized not just among other US branches service but With Nato as well, is so when they end up working in conjunction within the same battle space these various aircraft will be able see each other and more effectively communicate. Edited January 31, 2019 by Kev2go Build: Windows 10 64 bit Pro Case/Tower: Corsair Graphite 760tm ,Asus Strix Z790 Motherboard, Intel Core i7 12700k ,Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 64gb ram (3600 mhz) , (Asus strix oc edition) Nvidia RTX 3080 12gb , Evga g2 850 watt psu, Hardrives ; Samsung 970 EVo, , Samsung evo 860 pro 1 TB SSD, Samsung evo 850 pro 1TB SSD, WD 1TB HDD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow KT Posted August 26, 2017 Author Share Posted August 26, 2017 Yeah, real F/A-18Cs have DL16 'Shadow' Everybody gotta be offended and take it personally now-a-days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probad Posted August 26, 2017 Share Posted August 26, 2017 Link16. ( which A10C also has) A-10C uses SADL, not directly compatible with Link 16, and so should require a mediating unit (Gateway) for use with Navy Hornet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev2go Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 A-10C uses SADL, not directly compatible with Link 16, and so should require a mediating unit (Gateway) for use with Navy Hornet. but both can communicate via gateway thefore via this process SADL datalink communication is indeed compatible with Link 16 http://www.g2tcg.com/tactical-communications-group-adds-situational-awareness-data-link-sadl-capabilities-to-its-tactical-data-link-communications-solutions/ Build: Windows 10 64 bit Pro Case/Tower: Corsair Graphite 760tm ,Asus Strix Z790 Motherboard, Intel Core i7 12700k ,Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 64gb ram (3600 mhz) , (Asus strix oc edition) Nvidia RTX 3080 12gb , Evga g2 850 watt psu, Hardrives ; Samsung 970 EVo, , Samsung evo 860 pro 1 TB SSD, Samsung evo 850 pro 1TB SSD, WD 1TB HDD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
probad Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Most of the time it only works when the comms techs are signing off your gripe "Cannot duplicate fault" and telling you they can't find anything wrong with it and it must be operator error. no worries, that will be accurately simulated on the forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow KT Posted August 27, 2017 Author Share Posted August 27, 2017 no worries, that will be accurately simulated on the forums. :megalol::megalol::megalol: 'Shadow' Everybody gotta be offended and take it personally now-a-days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKarhu Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 What DL systems non-US operators use, btw? In Finnish Hornets, Link 16 is used today. It replaced an earlier, locally made system at some point before 2010 I think - and supposedly was not all improvement in performance, but NATO compatibility was more important. I'd guess the Swiss Hornets would use Link 16 as well, but what about the others? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejjvid Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Everyone complying with NATO standards can use L16. I don't know any modern western aircraft that doesn't support L16. i7 8700K | GTX 1080 Ti | 32GB RAM | 500GB M.2 SSD | TIR5 w/ Trackclip Pro | TM Hotas Warthog | Saitek Pro Flight Rudder [sigpic]http://www.132virtualwing.org[/sigpic] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKarhu Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Everyone complying with NATO standards can use L16. I don't know any modern western aircraft that doesn't support L16. Yes, exactly. :) The question is more that if all the current operators of F-18C actually do use the Link 16 as of today, and have it installed & employed. Not all "foreign" operators included this datalink system when the airplanes were initially delivered, but the question stands if all have switched to the Link 16 by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev2go Posted August 27, 2017 Share Posted August 27, 2017 Yes, exactly. :) The question is more that if all the current operators of F-18C actually do use the Link 16 as of today, and have it installed & employed. Not all "foreign" operators included this datalink system when the airplanes were initially delivered, but the question stands if all have switched to the Link 16 by now. Yes its a interesting question, but it does not pertain to ED Hornet because although they are including FOreign skins, its being modeled first and foremost to represent a US navy Hornet. Therefore it will have Link 16, especially since it's a 21st century era Hornet. Its just a matter of how well they can simulate its functions with what publicly available information they can get their hands on. Build: Windows 10 64 bit Pro Case/Tower: Corsair Graphite 760tm ,Asus Strix Z790 Motherboard, Intel Core i7 12700k ,Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 64gb ram (3600 mhz) , (Asus strix oc edition) Nvidia RTX 3080 12gb , Evga g2 850 watt psu, Hardrives ; Samsung 970 EVo, , Samsung evo 860 pro 1 TB SSD, Samsung evo 850 pro 1TB SSD, WD 1TB HDD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amalahama Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 MMmmmm I wonder if after DCS:Hornet we will see some of the enhancements in DL modeling applied to the A-10C as well. Regards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKarhu Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) Yes its a interesting question, but it does not pertain to ED Hornet because although they are including FOreign skins, its being modeled first and foremost to represent a US navy Hornet. Therefore it will have Link 16, especially since it's a 21st century era Hornet. Its just a matter of how well they can simulate its functions with what publicly available information they can get their hands on. Yep, purely out of curiosity, and of interest regarding the type. :) Indeed, interesting how they model this thing. As I understand, it is far from being the most capable data link system out there, but being so widespread and common, it makes a sensible choice even for the export customers. Edited August 28, 2017 by AKarhu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev2go Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 (edited) Yep, purely out of curiosity, and of interest regarding the type. :) Indeed, interesting how they model this thing. As I understand, it is far from being the most capable data link system out there, but being so widespread and common, it makes a sensible choice even for the export customers. True but neither is the fa18 hornet the best fighter jet out there anymore. F35 has next generation datalink ( MADL) that will be capable of much higher bandwidths. Thus faster transfer of information. All allies using 5th gen f35 will have it afaik. Link 16 is 4th gen tech. So no it's no longer the best datalink out there. But from i recall reading datalink 16 when it first debuted was praised by a general for being the most revolutionary addition for situational awareness since the addition of a search radar to fighters that began in the cold war Edited August 28, 2017 by Kev2go Build: Windows 10 64 bit Pro Case/Tower: Corsair Graphite 760tm ,Asus Strix Z790 Motherboard, Intel Core i7 12700k ,Corsair Vengeance LPX DDR4 64gb ram (3600 mhz) , (Asus strix oc edition) Nvidia RTX 3080 12gb , Evga g2 850 watt psu, Hardrives ; Samsung 970 EVo, , Samsung evo 860 pro 1 TB SSD, Samsung evo 850 pro 1TB SSD, WD 1TB HDD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKarhu Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 Yes, and more to my point (I need to state that the discussion is purely academic in what comes to the DCS product most likely!), is that the Link 16 apparently was in many ways inferior to some datalink(s) it actually replaced, except in what comes to compatibility. There were other, non-US/NATO solutions that were in some areas, reportedly of noticeably higher performance. Details of course remain mostly classified, and these systems were not, to my understanding, exported much at all, so I'd expect them to remain relatively little-known area of telecommunications in technical terms up until they maybe are disclosed in a decade or so on. What comes to the airframe, the F/A-18 is somewhat underrated, IMO. It is a brilliant design in many aspects, almost as easy as a big GA airplane to handle on ground, carries a huge span of weapon and sensors systems, and reportedly flies beautifully in the air, especially if one likes high alphas. The fixed inlet design somewhat restricted the high Mach number performance, and it has some relationships to the centerline stores config, but my understanding from the data of it is that at the usual airspeeds, it is a nimble, powerful, point-and-shoot kind of a jet, not any shy of MiG-29 or Su-27, and with sensible A2A loadouts for close engagement, not loosing too much in vertical neither. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tobyeez Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I thought this was supposed to simulate a digital battleground. And it won't be able to link with the A-10. Isn't that counter productive???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amalahama Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I thought this was supposed to simulate a digital battleground. And it won't be able to link with the A-10. Isn't that counter productive???? Well -- I guess some top brass in the Pentagon has the same concerns as you! Regards! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Swan Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 I thought this was supposed to simulate a digital battleground. And it won't be able to link with the A-10. Isn't that counter productive???? Where was it said that they wouldn't model the gateway? GeForce GTX 970, i5 4690K 3.5 GHz, 8 GB ram, Win 10, 1080p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts