Alfa Posted January 15, 2007 Posted January 15, 2007 Originally posted by Kusch: http://pilot.strizhi.info/2007/01/10/1575#more-1575 http://pilot.strizhi.info/2007/01/10/1593#more-1593 MiG-35 MiG-29 SMT JJ
Alfa Posted January 15, 2007 Author Posted January 15, 2007 Second try.. Keep it on-topic this time... - JJ. JJ
Kusch Posted January 15, 2007 Posted January 15, 2007 Renew question: What is this? And this: Missile approach warner? Give me "flying telephone pole" (SA-2)!
ViperEagle Posted January 15, 2007 Posted January 15, 2007 The object underneath the intake near the MLG appear to be targeting pod pylons, similar to those on F-15E's. The wingtip items look like updated warning systems.
ED Team f-18hornet Posted January 15, 2007 ED Team Posted January 15, 2007 Originally posted by Kusch: MiG-35 MiG-29 SMT Amazing cockpits!:thumbup: AMD Ryzen 9 3900X, GeForce RTX 2080Ti, 32 GB DRAM, HOTAS TM Warthog, FSSB R3 Lighting, MFG Crosswind, Win 10 Pro
RvETito Posted January 15, 2007 Posted January 15, 2007 Renew question: What is this? I could only guess but there could be installed only targeting or recon equipement. It's not very clear how it is installed and whether it could be easily removed. If we could see this we could give more precise guesses:) And this: Missile approach warner? I'm affraid I have to guess again. It looks like some kind of receiver, either IR or radar. I see the ECM system's antennas are still located beneath the rudders on the fins so this could be excluded. "See, to me that's a stupid instrument. It tells what your angle of attack is. If you don't know you shouldn't be flying." - Chuck Yeager, from the back seat of F-15D at age 89. =RvE=
Alfa Posted January 15, 2007 Author Posted January 15, 2007 I see the ECM system's antennas are still located beneath the rudders on the fins..... ...and in the "lumps" on the wingtips :) - JJ. JJ
RvETito Posted January 16, 2007 Posted January 16, 2007 Oups, I got busted!:) A assume then these are the radar receivers and the fin installed devices are the ECM emitters? "See, to me that's a stupid instrument. It tells what your angle of attack is. If you don't know you shouldn't be flying." - Chuck Yeager, from the back seat of F-15D at age 89. =RvE=
Cosmonaut Posted January 16, 2007 Posted January 16, 2007 I would Luv to have those cockpits in LO. :D Cozmo. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Minimum effort, maximum satisfaction. CDDS Tutorial Version 3. | Main Screen Mods.
Disso Posted January 16, 2007 Posted January 16, 2007 The object underneath the intake near the MLG appear to be targeting pod pylons, similar to those on F-15E's. LANTIRNs. Possibly. SU-30MKI F/A-18F ...Beauty, grace, lethality.
Kusch Posted January 16, 2007 Posted January 16, 2007 Meaby this is ECM Pod? Give me "flying telephone pole" (SA-2)!
plug pray Posted January 16, 2007 Posted January 16, 2007 And how many of these birds will actually be deployed in RuAF? 5? 6? ;=) aha...
Stubbins Posted January 16, 2007 Posted January 16, 2007 Sweet! Where can I get one? Too bad the don't have dealerships: "Planes cost less in Puyallup! No credit? No problem! Come see us today."
Anytime Posted January 16, 2007 Posted January 16, 2007 Be suprised if they are IR Missile launch detectors, it's not covering the full hemisphere. Very impressive jet, does it have a hi bandwidth antijam datalink? It'll be not much better than a 3rd Gen fighter without it. I could only guess but there could be installed only targeting or recon equipement. It's not very clear how it is installed and whether it could be easily removed. If we could see this we could give more precise guesses:) I'm affraid I have to guess again. It looks like some kind of receiver, either IR or radar. I see the ECM system's antennas are still located beneath the rudders on the fins so this could be excluded.
nscode Posted January 16, 2007 Posted January 16, 2007 There could be others elsewhere Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
Alfa Posted January 16, 2007 Author Posted January 16, 2007 Oups, I got busted!:) A assume then these are the radar receivers and the fin installed devices are the ECM emitters? The wingtip bulges contain the ECM wave guides :) I don't know what the "bits" below the rudders on the tailfins are for Tito, but I don't think they have anything to do with ECM - reason being that those aren't present on the MiG-29S (9-13 and 9-13S) although these variants have the same Gardeniya-1 FU jamming station as the MiG-29M and MiG-29K. MiG-29K MiG-29S But as you can see the wingtip devices are there(although looking slightly different) on both :) . - JJ. JJ
Alfa Posted January 16, 2007 Author Posted January 16, 2007 Meaby this is ECM Pod? Yes on the MiG-29M airframe(on which the "MiG-35" is built), the entire wingtip ends in a curved "bulge" as seen on the above MiG-29K photo, which contains the ECM - hence the dark(radio transparent) patches front and rear :) . But this has been the case all along - the new bit is the small "lump"(by the lamp for the collision lights) with those two "holes".....I don't know what that is for. - JJ. JJ
Pilotasso Posted January 16, 2007 Posted January 16, 2007 Wing bulges are ECM waveguides as Alfa said, the tail "spikes" are most probably passive radar recievers for onboard Beriosa system. .
hitman Posted January 16, 2007 Posted January 16, 2007 Am I into believing that this thing has doors, a convertible top, and whatnot??
Pilotasso Posted January 16, 2007 Posted January 16, 2007 Thats a pit mockup. You can see it next to the real thing on the second post above. .
Alfa Posted January 16, 2007 Author Posted January 16, 2007 Wing bulges are ECM waveguides as Alfa said, the tail "spikes" are most probably passive radar recievers for onboard Beriosa system. Yes I think you got a point there Pilotasso - they could be RWR recievers, but not for the Beryoza(sp?- well SPO-15) ;).....the MiG-29M and MiG-29K variants don't have have that system at all - they have the more advanced "Pastel" system instead :) . This could actually also explain why those "spikes" are there on the tailfins of the MiG-29M/MiG-35 and MiG-29K, but not on the MiG-29S.....which does retain the Beryoza system :) . - JJ. JJ
Pilotasso Posted January 16, 2007 Posted January 16, 2007 bleh Im not too much in depth with russian avionics names. :D .
tflash Posted January 16, 2007 Posted January 16, 2007 But this has been the case all along - the new bit is the small "lump"(by the lamp for the collision lights) with those two "holes".....I don't know what that is for. - JJ. Could it not be an attachment to mount a wingtip missile rail? I remember seiing a photo of a Mig-29OVT with wingtip missiles. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Trident Posted January 16, 2007 Posted January 16, 2007 That's an interesting idea, the OVT was shown with wingtip missile rails once or twice. However, no similar contraption could be seen on its wingtips when the aircraft visited the ILA exhibition last year. It doesn't seem to look much like an attachment either and a wingtip missile rail would block the ECM emitters anyway. Probably the reason why it is no longer displayed on the MiG-29OVT. Personally, I'm inclined to believe it is a missile warning system sofar.
Alfa Posted January 16, 2007 Author Posted January 16, 2007 Could it not be an attachment to mount a wingtip missile rail? I remember seiing a photo of a Mig-29OVT with wingtip missiles. Yes that crossed my mind as well, but those holes look very close together for that purpose and the "lump" itself too small to provide proper support for a missile rail......but I don't know. But at least it is some consolation that the Russian minister of defence apparently didn't seem to know either....judging from this photo: "What is this for?" :D - JJ. JJ
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