Kusch Posted January 19, 2007 Posted January 19, 2007 http://pilot.strizhi.info/2007/01/19/1858#more-1858 Find different :D 1 Give me "flying telephone pole" (SA-2)!
RvETito Posted January 19, 2007 Posted January 19, 2007 Yet another great finding Kusch. I didn't know the '311' also has glass cockpit, I thought only the '312' had it. Do I hear Alfa comming in?...;) "See, to me that's a stupid instrument. It tells what your angle of attack is. If you don't know you shouldn't be flying." - Chuck Yeager, from the back seat of F-15D at age 89. =RvE=
britgliderpilot Posted January 19, 2007 Posted January 19, 2007 I get the distinct impression they're running out of space for instruments :P http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v121/britgliderpilot/BS2Britgliderpilot-1.jpg
GGTharos Posted January 19, 2007 Posted January 19, 2007 I'd like to see the Pastel display personally. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Kusch Posted January 19, 2007 Author Posted January 19, 2007 I'd like to see the Pastel display personally. Meaby this (Su-27SM example) Or this: Give me "flying telephone pole" (SA-2)!
Pilotasso Posted January 19, 2007 Posted January 19, 2007 haha "pastel" in my language means custard cakes! :D .
EvilBivol-1 Posted January 20, 2007 Posted January 20, 2007 Here is one page of what is claimed to be the Pastel display. Appears to be the ARM targeting page: - EB [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Nothing is easy. Everything takes much longer. The Parable of Jane's A-10 Forum Rules
GGTharos Posted January 20, 2007 Posted January 20, 2007 That's an odd looking display! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
nscode Posted January 20, 2007 Posted January 20, 2007 You can see that "PRG" (ПРГ) is selected, and not "SPO" (СПО) Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
RvETito Posted January 20, 2007 Posted January 20, 2007 OT, moved to another thread. "See, to me that's a stupid instrument. It tells what your angle of attack is. If you don't know you shouldn't be flying." - Chuck Yeager, from the back seat of F-15D at age 89. =RvE=
Alfa Posted January 20, 2007 Posted January 20, 2007 Sensational... Thank you Kusch! :) I have been searching for a photo like this... ....for nearly 10 years! Cheers, - JJ. JJ
Alfa Posted January 20, 2007 Posted January 20, 2007 Yet another great finding Kusch. A great find is an understatement! :) . I didn't know the '311' also has glass cockpit, I thought only the '312' had it. Do I hear Alfa comming in?...;) Well Tito I always suspected that both the "311" and "312" had that cockpit layout :) . I think the misconception regarding the cockpit for the "311" may be down to reports that the "311"(unlike the "312") didn't have the full systems suite installed for initial trials......leading someone to incorrectly conclude that it "properly" had a cockpit layout similar to the "baseline" MiG-29. But, as you know, the MiG-29K is based on the MiG-29M airframe for which the above cockpit is the original one, so it wouldn't make any sense for it to have been fitted with a cockpit like that of a 9-12 :) . - JJ. JJ
Force_Feedback Posted January 20, 2007 Posted January 20, 2007 Heh heh, with this ED can make the mig-29k return again Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy:
Black_Hawk Posted January 20, 2007 Posted January 20, 2007 What exactly do these lights at the nose gear do? [/ulr] They also show AOA like the AOA indicators at the HUD? 159th GAR LockOnFiles CAW Team
RvETito Posted January 20, 2007 Posted January 20, 2007 Well Tito I always suspected that both the "311" and "312" had that cockpit layout :) . I think the misconception regarding the cockpit for the "311" may be down to reports that the "311"(unlike the "312") didn't have the full systems suite installed for initial trials......leading someone to incorrectly conclude that it "properly" had a cockpit layout similar to the "baseline" MiG-29. But, as you know, the MiG-29K is based on the MiG-29M airframe for which the above cockpit is the original one, so it wouldn't make any sense for it to have been fitted with a cockpit like that of a 9-12 :) . - JJ. You have a point Jens, I just haven't actualy gone to deep into this. I'm interested whether the 311 is airworthy. It has much more naval experience on Kuz than the 312 but only the second prototype is shown on airshows and is known to take part in different weapon and system tests. From these pictures we see some upgrade of the 312 is going on, while the 311 seems to be unused. I suppose the 312 takes major part in the indian MiG-29K developement but it sounds trange when they have two prototypes of the same airframe they use only one. May be there's a good reason why the 311 doesn't fly(or may be it flies but we just don't know that), I would like to know more about this. "See, to me that's a stupid instrument. It tells what your angle of attack is. If you don't know you shouldn't be flying." - Chuck Yeager, from the back seat of F-15D at age 89. =RvE=
RvETito Posted January 20, 2007 Posted January 20, 2007 What exactly do these lights at the nose gear do? [/ulr] They also show AOA like the AOA indicators at the HUD? I believe these are glideslope signals for the LSO, like the ones on the left side of the HUD. If he sees red light, then he knows you're bellow glideslope, green on the line and yellow above the glideslope. Speaking about this, I haven't seen such lights on the Su-33 actualy. "See, to me that's a stupid instrument. It tells what your angle of attack is. If you don't know you shouldn't be flying." - Chuck Yeager, from the back seat of F-15D at age 89. =RvE=
nscode Posted January 20, 2007 Posted January 20, 2007 I believe these are glideslope signals for the LSO, like the ones on the left side of the HUD. If he sees red light, then he knows you're bellow glideslope, green on the line and yellow above the glideslope. Speaking about this, I haven't seen such lights on the Su-33 actualy. Maybe they are just for testing. LSO's screen is black and white anyway. Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us.
Black_Hawk Posted January 20, 2007 Posted January 20, 2007 I believe these are glideslope signals for the LSO, like the ones on the left side of the HUD. If he sees red light, then he knows you're bellow glideslope, green on the line and yellow above the glideslope. Speaking about this, I haven't seen such lights on the Su-33 actualy. The Su-33 also has them. 159th GAR LockOnFiles CAW Team
RvETito Posted January 20, 2007 Posted January 20, 2007 Maybe they are just for testing. LSO's screen is black and white anyway. I mean for visual spotting, you know, the guys with the phones on the left of the landing area. "See, to me that's a stupid instrument. It tells what your angle of attack is. If you don't know you shouldn't be flying." - Chuck Yeager, from the back seat of F-15D at age 89. =RvE=
Alfa Posted January 20, 2007 Posted January 20, 2007 You have a point Jens, I just haven't actualy gone to deep into this. I'm interested whether the 311 is airworthy. It has much more naval experience on Kuz than the 312 but only the second prototype is shown on airshows and is known to take part in different weapon and system tests. From these pictures we see some upgrade of the 312 is going on, while the 311 seems to be unused. I suppose the 312 takes major part in the indian MiG-29K developement but it sounds trange when they have two prototypes of the same airframe they use only one. May be there's a good reason why the 311 doesn't fly(or may be it flies but we just don't know that), I would like to know more about this. Yeah that is a good question Tito - I haven't seen any pictures of the 311 flying recently either, while there are lots(including videos) of the 312 flight displays :) . I wonder if the 312 has the new digital fly-by-wire control system installed - I suppose it would have to if test flying it should make much sense in connection with the development of the new 9-41 version for India. As you can see the 312 has been re-fitted with a newer "SMT-style" cockpit, while the 311 retains the old one, so perhaps it also retains the original analogue FBW system. But it doesn't explain why the 311 doesn't seems to be used for tests.......maybe MIG feel they only need one prototype for the purpose :hmm: . - JJ. JJ
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