Zarma Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 When being shot by a SA13 I got a *13* notice on the RWR without sound. I though the Harrier didnt have a MWS ?? i9 9900k, 64 Go RAM, RTX 4090, Warthog HOTAS Throttle & Stick, Virpil AH64 collective, TPR rudder, MFD Cougar, Trackir 5 Pro, Multipurpose UFC, Alain Dufour's TEDAC and Oculus Rift S (when I want some VR), http://www.twitch.tv/zarma4074 / https://www.youtube.com/user/Zarma4074
Zeus67 Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 DCS has them as radar equipped launchers: Strela_9K31 = 25; -- launcher Strela_9K35 = 26; -- launcher (ln) "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware type with a program patch and a user with an idea."
Zarma Posted December 1, 2017 Author Posted December 1, 2017 In the other modules, we dont have a IR SAM "lock" when firing. i9 9900k, 64 Go RAM, RTX 4090, Warthog HOTAS Throttle & Stick, Virpil AH64 collective, TPR rudder, MFD Cougar, Trackir 5 Pro, Multipurpose UFC, Alain Dufour's TEDAC and Oculus Rift S (when I want some VR), http://www.twitch.tv/zarma4074 / https://www.youtube.com/user/Zarma4074
Zeus67 Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 I'll check the issue. "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware type with a program patch and a user with an idea."
microvax Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 Other modules have it as well... [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] *unexpected flight behaviour* Oh shiii*** ! What ? Why ? What is happening ?
Zarma Posted December 1, 2017 Author Posted December 1, 2017 On the A10C or the M2K, you have a missile warning with the MWS, but no "lock" on the RWR from an IR threat. i9 9900k, 64 Go RAM, RTX 4090, Warthog HOTAS Throttle & Stick, Virpil AH64 collective, TPR rudder, MFD Cougar, Trackir 5 Pro, Multipurpose UFC, Alain Dufour's TEDAC and Oculus Rift S (when I want some VR), http://www.twitch.tv/zarma4074 / https://www.youtube.com/user/Zarma4074
Esac_mirmidon Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 Strelas and other IR SAM systems cant paint no RWR on any plane. " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4
Atooyi Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 Not sure but I as long as I can remember as one of my squad mates said the sa13 has a small radar which sometimes can cause some rwr markings, if I can remember it right he reported it on f-15 rwr couple of times, not sure about that,and can't confirm it.
Raven (Elysian Angel) Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 The missiles themselves are IR-guided, but the launch platform uses radar to help with targetting. Spoiler Ryzen 7 9800X3D | 96GB G.Skill Ripjaws M5 Neo DDR5-6000 | Asus ProArt RTX 4080 Super | ASUS ROG Strix X870E-E GAMING | Samsung 990Pro 2TB + 990Pro 4TB NMVe | VR: Varjo Aero VPC MT-50CM2 grip on VPForce Rhino with Z-curve extension | VPC CM3 throttle | VPC CP2 + 3 | FSSB R3L | VPC Rotor TCS Plus base with SharKa-50 grip | Everything mounted on Monstertech MFC-1 | VPC R1-Falcon pedals with damper | Pro Flight Trainer Puma OpenXR | PD 1.0 | 100% render resolution | DCS graphics settings Win11 Pro 24H2 - VBS/HAGS/Game Mode ON
Dee-Jay Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 SA-13 has a radar telemeter. The telemetry signal (if used) might be detected by some RWRs. Therefore, it is not impossible to get a RWR spot before the SA-13 launch a missile. ASUSTeK ROG MAXIMUS X HERO / Intel Core i5-8600K (4.6 GHz) / NVIDIA GeForce RTX 3080 Ti FE 12GB / 32GB DDR4 Ballistix Elite 3200 MHz / Samsung SSD 970 EVO Plus 2TB / Be Quiet! Straight Power 11 1000W Platinum / Windows 10 Home 64-bit / HOTAS Cougar FSSB R1 (Warthog grip) / SIMPED / MFD Cougar / ViperGear ICP / SimShaker JetPad / Track IR 5 / Curved LED 27'' Monitor 1080p Samsung C27F396 / HP Reverb G2 VR Headset.
Esac_mirmidon Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 (edited) The Strela SA-9 doesnt have any radar at all. Only EO-IR. The Strela SA-13, more advance, has the 9S16 "Flat Box-B" passive radar. This radar emits no radar energy at all. Only detect radio waves from enemy aircrafts. Also there are variants of the SA-13 with the 9S86 "Snap Shot" J Band radar. This is the only Strela SAM that will be detected by RWR if is programmed to do so. Edited December 1, 2017 by Esac_mirmidon " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4
Esac_mirmidon Posted December 1, 2017 Posted December 1, 2017 In this case we need to ask if the SA-13 in DCS uses the radar or not. If yes, then we need to know if the RWR is able to pick this kind of J-Band radar. I think so because the Tunguska has also a similar J-Band radar " You must think in russian.." [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Windows 7 Home Premium-Intel 2500K OC 4.6-SSD Samsung EVO 860- MSI GTX 1080 - 16G RAM - 1920x1080 27´ Hotas Rhino X-55-MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals -Track IR 4
Zeus67 Posted December 2, 2017 Posted December 2, 2017 In this case we need to ask if the SA-13 in DCS uses the radar or not. If yes, then we need to know if the RWR is able to pick this kind of J-Band radar. I think so because the Tunguska has also a similar J-Band radar If shown on the RWR screen, then it is using the radar. "Programming today is a race between software engineers striving to build bigger and better idiot-proof programs, and the Universe trying to produce bigger and better idiots. So far, the Universe is winning." "The three most dangerous things in the world are a programmer with a soldering iron, a hardware type with a program patch and a user with an idea."
Frostie Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 Sa-13 does spike all aircraft in DCS if you get close enough. "[51☭] FROSTIE" #55 'Red 5'. Lord Flashheart 51st PVO "Bisons" - 100 KIAP Regiment Fastest MiG pilot in the world - TCR'10 https://100kiap.org
Kula66 Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 Isn't it a simple radar to determine range to target, ie. when to fire and not a search radar? So, it should be detected briefly before launch.
QuiGon Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 So does the Harrier behave differently in this case than other RWR-equipped aircraft? If not, it's not a Harrier issue, if it's an issue at all. Intel i7-12700K @ 8x5GHz+4x3.8GHz + 32 GB DDR5 RAM + Nvidia Geforce RTX 2080 (8 GB VRAM) + M.2 SSD + Windows 10 64Bit DCS Panavia Tornado (IDS) really needs to be a thing!
Eddie Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 The fact that other aircraft RWRs have not picked up the SA-13 has always bugged me (I reported it as an issue back during the A-10 beta phase but it was never sorted), if the Harrier RWR is picking it up it’s a very good thing. It shouldn’t be picked up unless the SA-13 is question is targeting your aircraft but it should be detected.
Zarma Posted December 5, 2017 Author Posted December 5, 2017 Learned somthing. i9 9900k, 64 Go RAM, RTX 4090, Warthog HOTAS Throttle & Stick, Virpil AH64 collective, TPR rudder, MFD Cougar, Trackir 5 Pro, Multipurpose UFC, Alain Dufour's TEDAC and Oculus Rift S (when I want some VR), http://www.twitch.tv/zarma4074 / https://www.youtube.com/user/Zarma4074
microvax Posted December 5, 2017 Posted December 5, 2017 sa13 ranging radar was added a few patch levels back. It "locks" you very shortly before firing in any aircraft I fly. If you go for it you can even use the sidearm on them like that. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] *unexpected flight behaviour* Oh shiii*** ! What ? Why ? What is happening ?
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