Wild.Bill.Kelso Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 I just watched the Training mission for the Shkval, and it showed how to use the AC mode to lock on to targets. It talked about turning on the Laser Rangefinder, it gets hot and needs to cool down. But If I can lock on to a target before turning it on, what do I need it for? I can lock on to a target without it. I know it's a stupid question, there is surely a good use for it. But the training doesn't say as far as I can tell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Design Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 It not only provides range, it also provides guidance to all the weapons that use that system. Carlos "Design" Pastor AMD64x2 5200+, 4GB DDR2, Asus M2V, Nvidia Geforce GTX260, Win7 x64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
159th_Viper Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 The AT-9's in particular employ laser "beam-rider" guidance. Sensors are mounted in the tail of the missile and the sensors detect the laser beam emitted by the laser rangefinder of the T-Frog and follow the laser beam directly to the target. No laser = no LA, even though target will be locked. Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild.Bill.Kelso Posted January 21, 2007 Author Share Posted January 21, 2007 So missiles that are laser guided need it on. And other missiles can hit the target without it? Are those fire and forget type missiles? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Missiles that do not use the laser are typically fire and forget. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
159th_Viper Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Correct. IIRC the only fire-and-forget missile is the 29T. Technically the 58's and 25MPU are also fire-and-forget, but launched with the Phanta pod. Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Force_Feedback Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Why does the laser on the su-25t get so hot? I mean, beam-rider lasers are a couple of magnitudes less powerful than 'ordinary' lasers that just paint the target. I mean, why can some other laser-guidance equipped aircraft like the F-15e lase for extended amounts of time, and the su-25t, with the little wee low powered laser can't? Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Groove Posted January 21, 2007 ED Team Share Posted January 21, 2007 Ask a M1A2 or Leopard2A5 tanker about lasing time, it will be much lesser then you think. Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricJ Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 It's because laser designators require a lot of power to simply designate, given the frequency and range they have to typically operate at. LOMAC Section| | Gaming Resume (PDF) | Gallery | Flanker2.51 Storage Site | Also known as Flanker562 back in the day... Steam ID EricJ562 | DCS: A-10A/C Pilot | DCS: Su-25T Pilot | Texture Artist "...parade ground soldiers always felt that way (contempt) about killers in uniform." -Counting The Cost, Hammer's Slammers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Force_Feedback Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Leo 2a5s and m1a2s have guided missiles? :\ Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Leo and M1 use a laser rangefinder only, and that too can be damaged. Remember Force Feedback, today's lasers and those old lasers are not the same technologically speaking. Today you get more power, less heat. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anytime Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 On the tail? The AT-9's in particular employ laser "beam-rider" guidance. Sensors are mounted in the tail of the missile and the sensors detect the laser beam emitted by the laser rangefinder of the T-Frog and follow the laser beam directly to the target. No laser = no LA, even though target will be locked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
159th_Viper Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Correct - near the Rocket Motor Nozzles, to be more specific. Novice or Veteran looking for an alternative MP career? Click me to commence your Journey of Pillage and Plunder! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] '....And when I get to Heaven, to St Peter I will tell.... One more Soldier reporting Sir, I've served my time in Hell......' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anytime Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Got a pic? Looks like it"s on the nose to me?? Be suprised if it could hit jack if it was on the tail? Here"s a vid, can't find any pics. http://cops.zive.net/c-board/file/Vikhrinaction_erdem.avi Correct - near the Rocket Motor Nozzles, to be more specific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Force_Feedback Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 I was being sarcastic. Seriousely, why is a weak coded ring laser getting as hot as a range finder? Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MBot Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 The laser will also increase the precision of the employment of "dumb" weapons considerable in some circumstances. The position of the piper on your HUD wich will show the estimated impact point of your unguided weapons is calculated by your fire controll computer. One important information for this calculation is range to target. Without a laser, like in the A-10 or in the Su-25 with the laser turned off, the computer will calculate target range with flight attitude and your height over ground using a "pytagoras calculation". For this to work the computer assumes that the target has the same height above sea level as the ground below your aircraft ( =the terrain is flat ). As long as the terrain is actualy flat, this works excellent. But in rough terrains your CCIP will be off, showing false results. Not so with your laser turned on. The laser will measure target reange directly and allow precise CCIP calculation. This makes the Su-25 a very precise attack plattform, especially in rough terrain. Altough the Su-25 might look very simple, it actualy has more sophisticated attack avionics than the A-10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfa Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Got a pic? Looks like it"s on the nose to me?? A laser guided missile like the Kh-29L has a forward looking seekerhead to home on laser energy being reflected off the target - the Vikhr has no seekerhead, but as 159_Viper mentioned, rearward facing sensors instead to pick up the direction of laser bursts as they are being emitted from the launching aircraft - i.e. the Vikhr is a "laser-beam-riding" missile :) . This type of laser guidance is employed to provide extended range and ability to engage a moving target. - JJ. JJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild.Bill.Kelso Posted January 21, 2007 Author Share Posted January 21, 2007 Is there any way to tell in the game when I need to use the Laser? An indicator or something? Or do I just need to memorize the specific missile types? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anytime Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 Understand but im confused see the wiki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT-9_Spiral-2 A laser guided missile like the Kh-29L has a forward looking seekerhead to home on laser energy being reflected off the target - the Vikhr has no seekerhead, but as 159_Viper mentioned, rearward facing sensors instead to pick up the direction of laser bursts as they are being emitted from the launching aircraft - i.e. the Vikhr is a "laser-beam-riding" missile :) . This type of laser guidance is employed to provide extended range and ability to engage a moving target. - JJ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Design Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 RTFM :D Carlos "Design" Pastor AMD64x2 5200+, 4GB DDR2, Asus M2V, Nvidia Geforce GTX260, Win7 x64 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 What's confusing? If it is the fuze, then remember, fuze and seeker are not the same thing. The Vikhr in BS has a prox fuze which you can activate before launch if you know you will be attacking an airborne target, IIRC. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anytime Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 Now I know why im confused so is the web and you guys eheh, http://www.search.com/reference/List_of_anti-tank_guided_missiles whats on BS AT-9 or AT-16? Understand but im confused see the wiki. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AT-9_Spiral-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 The AT-16. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anytime Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 Post it :P RTFM :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anytime Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 Previous posts just stated the At-9 was laser guided, no biggy, and web sites stated the missile was lock on before launch, ie acquire the laser before launch, bit hard to do if the seeker is in the rear end of the missile and the designator on the nose of the chopper. What's confusing? If it is the fuze, then remember, fuze and seeker are not the same thing. The Vikhr in BS has a prox fuze which you can activate before launch if you know you will be attacking an airborne target, IIRC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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