First impressions for VR 2.5?

[Wolf8312]

Just don't run in-game MSAA and DS together, that's what causes the FPS issue. If you're not in VR, force MFAA through NVidia Control Panel. If you are in VR, that setting doesn't impact VR visuals so leave it go and just turn MSAA off.

 

Ah well to be honest with deffered shading on and MSSA off I think it actually looks much worse than the other way round. I just cant take the jaggies, colors also look weird! Nevada performance significantly poorer as well (will try system restart), which is heartbreaking because of how smooth I had it haha!

 

I don't want to be a moaner going to keep my fingers crossed that this is all just the result of still being in beta.

[NeilWillis]

45 is not flawlessly, the target should be 90.

 

Not true.

[dburne]

Just don't run in-game MSAA and DS together, that's what causes the FPS issue. If you're not in VR, force MFAA through NVidia Control Panel. If you are in VR, that setting doesn't impact VR visuals so leave it go and just turn MSAA off.

 

Actually I run MSAA and DS, not too bad really so far. But, I lowered my PD to 1.0. I can still see instruments in the Spit ok.

[DowntownSIX]

I didn't do any formal testing last night but with a 4790K and a 1080Ti I was hitting 90fps at altitude and went as low as 22.5fps in the weeds for the coastal strike Viggen quick start mission.

 

That's with everything high, DS on, MSAA off and PD at 1.5. I need to do some fiddling to get 45fps stable.

[dburne]

I didn't do any formal testing last night but with a 4790K and a 1080Ti I was hitting 90fps at altitude and went as low as 22.5fps in the weeds for the coastal strike Viggen quick start mission.

 

That's with everything high, DS on, MSAA off and PD at 1.5. I need to do some fiddling to get 45fps stable.

 

Try lowering PD to 1.0 and add a little MSAA , see what ya think.

[Wolf8312]

Can confirm that 2.2 Vegas is much smoother than 2.5. Glad I didn't delete it!

[DerekSpeare]

I just updated. Here's my 2 cents:

 

1 - Defered shading = yes. It's much better than HDR;

2 - My PD = 1.4. I brought it down from 1.6;

3 - Water = rubbish unless you turn it to HIGH;

4 - AA = OFF. Frames go south otherwise

5 - Cockpit Shadows = LOW, FLAT for scenery;

6 - Trees = really nice, but popup tress suck so I turned them to "0";

7 - Cockpit Lighting = ON

 

I get 45FPS over Batumi on free flying in the F5. I'm guessing it would be a slide show if it were combat and the area was filled with other objects.

 

All my settings and binding were retained during the update, which was nice. My thoughts are that unless you run a Quantum computer, expect the same thing flight sim fans have experienced over 30 years and that's never enough hardware muscle to turn everything all the way to max :music_whistling:

Edited January 31, 2018 by DerekSpeare

[exil]

Well:

 

I firstly turned my cockpit shadows to low and set STANDARD for scenery

then I put my PD down to 1.2 (from 1.4) and therefore turning MSAA up to 4x!!!

Then tweaking the bushes/grass a bit (reducing it to 50% ish).

 

I can't complain now! It's running much smoother than in Nevada or Normandy.

I get steady 45FPS with minor drops down to around 40 during landing when the downwash appears. Other than that, i'm really satisfied!

 

But only tested single player with little enemy action...

 

Specs are:

Ryzen 1600 @ 3.7Ghz

MSI GTX 1080

16GB RAM

SSD

[Sandman1330]

I’m finding a massive improvement in Caucuses since the update. Used to get 30s and stutters at medium settings, now getting a steady and smooth 45 on high settings, even with shadows. DS is off (personally find the lighting is funky), 4xMSAA and PD 1.5.

 

Haven’t tried Normandy or Nevada yet

[Wolf8312]

I’m finding a massive improvement in Caucuses since the update. Used to get 30s and stutters at medium settings, now getting a steady and smooth 45 on high settings, even with shadows. DS is off (personally find the lighting is funky), 4xMSAA and PD 1.5.

 

Haven’t tried Normandy or Nevada yet

I’m finding a massive improvement in Caucuses since the update. Used to get 30s and stutters at medium settings, now getting a steady and smooth 45 on high settings, even with shadows. DS is off (personally find the lighting is funky), 4xMSAA and PD 1.5.

 

Haven’t tried Normandy or Nevada yet

 

Got my Nevada to about what it was, after deleting all the metashader files etc. Hard to tell the difference really now but I still feel 2.2 was smoother with less nasty drops. There seems to be allot more ghosting when I turn my head to the sides now!

 

I think I got myself hyped up expecting significant optimizations and improvements for VR performance thinking that the beta/release would be better than the alpha. I still hope this will be the case though and that the stable version will be improved.

 

Caucasus is great flies and looks fantastic to be fair.

The only problem I have with the Caucasus is the trees. They alternate between looking much better and much worse depending on the light, and really they are the only thing I can complain about now. Settings high/high PD 1.4 MSSA x4 are my basic settings with everything else largely off with a few minor exceptions.

Edited February 1, 2018 by Wolf8312

[LCYCowboy]

First impressions for VR 2.5?

 

Has anyone noticed that when you hover up to the side of a building it starts pixelating and changes colour? Also, some of the buildings windows move about.

 

And the football pitch in the stadium is a strange blue color

Edited February 1, 2018 by LCYCowboy

[Wolf8312]

Weird thing is I am finding with interleaved reprojection as oppose to asynchronous things seem to be smoother though I always thought it was supposed to be the other way round.

 

You can fly with DS on at night and it will look great (and really cool with the tracers) but any light will be hideous even with 2x MSSA.

 

I tried 4X mssa with DS, and with PD down to 1 and it did run pretty well but it still doesn't look anywhere near as nice as MSSA 4 PD 1.5 and DS off.

[Boris]

Many of you keep talking about a solid 45fps. I'm assuming you're all using ASW? I wonder how you guys manage to run with ASW without getting glitches. With ASW on I have HUD elements and cockpit frames warping.

This is best noticeable with the Spitfire sight.

[some1]

Spitfire is broken with ASW, people have asked ED to fix that darned propeller texture to look more like in other warbirds, but nothing has changed since EA release.

 

Another things that cause issues with ASW are flashing rotor shadows in helicopters. Like Spitfire propeller, it's not a realistic effect but it's been in DCS for years.

 

In other aircraft the visual glitches are minor for most of the time, overall ASW gives smoother visuals than ATW for me, but it may be personal thing. With ATW I see a lot of judder and that's distracting.

 

Not true.

 

True.

 

But stable 90 FPS with DCS in VR is near impossible, so the point is moot.

Edited February 1, 2018 by some1

[johnco61]

I wasn’t impressed at first I didn’t have much luck with 2.2 and preferred 1.5 so wasn’t expecting much, and when I first gave it a try I was right differed shading on was a stutter fest and without it things looked to washed out.

Last night I updated my nvidia drivers deleted the saved games folder and had a play, well all I can say is wow, the performance for me was as good as 1.5 but with all the extra bling 2.5 has to offer. I fly mainly around Mozdok and Beslan due to performance issues in 1.5, the scenery now flying around the river is stunning which I could normally only say that when using a monitor.

But the good thing is now I seem to be able to go any ware on the map and get the same performance, and the sea well that’s unbelievable just like the real thing and that’s in VR, it’s early days yet but I can’t believe the difference it’s made for me

 

i7 7700 @ 4.9GHz, Nvidia 1080ti, 32GB DDR4

[Sandman1330]

Many of you keep talking about a solid 45fps. I'm assuming you're all using ASW? I wonder how you guys manage to run with ASW without getting glitches. With ASW on I have HUD elements and cockpit frames warping.

This is best noticeable with the Spitfire sight.

 

I turn ASW off, I find the artefacts too annoying. I find it smooth enough at 45, only exception being really fast movement like WWII dogfighting or looking sideways at low level. With 90fps nearly impossible, I’d rather turn up the eye candy.

[dburne]

So I was looking at my options.lua file in the saved games folder for 2.5 Open Beta, and realized the date it was created was in like 2015.

So I deleted it and rebuilt my graphics options.

 

Pretty sure it ( along with deleting my metashader files) helped my performance in 2.5.

[GurbY]

So I was looking at my options.lua file in the saved games folder for 2.5 Open Beta, and realized the date it was created was in like 2015.

So I deleted it and rebuilt my graphics options.

 

Pretty sure it ( along with deleting my metashader files) helped my performance in 2.5.

What did you do, just copy the /config folder somewhere, then delete the whole saved game dir, and after running DCS copy config folder back again? (as I presume you don't want to setup all inputs again..)?

[dburne]

What did you do, just copy the /config folder somewhere, then delete the whole saved game dir, and after running DCS copy config folder back again? (as I presume you don't want to setup all inputs again..)?

 

Nope.

I just deleted options.lua and let it rebuild, resetting all my graphics options in the game. I also had deleted all the metashader and fxo files as well in the saved game folder.

[Buckeye]

Try lowering PD to 1.0 and add a little MSAA , see what ya think.

 

Nope.

I just deleted options.lua and let it rebuild, resetting all my graphics options in the game. I also had deleted all the metashader and fxo files as well in the saved game folder.

 

Did the same yesterday, worked well for me.

[GurbY]

Nope.

I just deleted options.lua and let it rebuild, resetting all my graphics options in the game. I also had deleted all the metashader and fxo files as well in the saved game folder.

Where can I find those files? Location of FXO files is known, but where are the metashader files and the options.lua? (just to be sure I don't delete something in the wrong place..)

[dburne]

Where can I find those files? Location of FXO files is known, but where are the metashader files and the options.lua? (just to be sure I don't delete something in the wrong place..)

 

In your saved games folder. Usually C:/Users < your user name> saved games/DCS Open Beta

DCS 2.5 Open Beta - there is a metashader folder, and options lua is in the main directory there in saved games.

[GurbY]

In your saved games folder. Usually C:/Users < your user name> saved games/DCS Open Beta

DCS 2.5 Open Beta - there is a metashader folder, and options lua is in the main directory there in saved games.

Tnx. (could only find options.lua in the config dir, but guess that will be it..)

[dburne]

Tnx. (could only find options.lua in the config dir, but guess that will be it..)

 

Yes sorry, that is it.

[Wolf8312]

Its the strangest thing. Perhaps cause I deleted all those config folders or did a system restore, but now around Vegas I am actually able to use MSSA 4x along with deferred shading and have a smooth experience! Don't know how its possible but it really bodes well, because before it was just unplayable! It looks and plays great too!

 

Windows 10 is so erratic I do wonder if I reinstalled both it and DCS if I wouldn't see great benefits!

 

This has really cheered me up but I kind of worry I'm gonna do something and its going to go back to how it was before! I don't play massive intensive missions in VR and am happy creating my own SP experiences often by editing pre-existing missions to make them run better on VR, so I cant say if this will suit everyone! But very encouraging! Somehow seems more stable as well. I only realized and checked out DS again because in the performance thread another guy was saying the same thing!

 

PS not going by FPS counters just by how it feels so I don't know or care about the fps!

Edited February 1, 2018 by Wolf8312